still moves out like a ****. lol..

this video has NOTHING to do with the subject on hand here. but its entertaining what a torquless honda can do. keep in mind these 350z's are faster stock for stock than a ss/tc.

YouTube - Comptech Supercharged Si vs Nismo HR 350z vs Stock HR 350Z


and before anyone whines and complains, what else would u be wasting yout time doing? bashing newbs?

 

Yeah..that's why you can find it in the Malibu, HHR, Saturn Vue, Aura, etc...NA 4cyls isn't there performance engines.

 

Touche'

I started to add "also one that makes near 200lbs torque", but figured that would be mean.


He said his Vtec window was from 3200 to 5800, so what does that mean for his overall powerband?

 

you can find k24 in a honda element... your point being?

 

lol. yea i know torque isnt there, but its not needed. haha. the vtec window is for fuel savings. pretty much, he can be crusing at 3200-5800 rpm and not in vtec. but if he floors it from 3200-5800, vtec will engage. after 5800 rpm, vtec engages reguardless. thats why its now i-vtec instead of just vtec.

 

Turbo is the only way I would go with the SI. I considered AJP's turbos when I had mine.

YouTube - AJP TURBO SI 12.50 @ 117.8MPH 10.5 PSI BOOST

 

 

Point being? Like I said GM makes FI 4cyl with power not NA.
Wow the element comes with a 16Xbhp k24..I thought this was about the k20..

 

This thread is way off topic so here are some more vids for you guys.

YouTube - AMS 770 hp SRT 4 vs 07' z06 vs 04' z06 w built 408

YouTube - Red Sled 9.12 Run

YouTube - DCR mike crawford -7.9 @ 188 mph - NHRA Englishtown

 

I never even read the first post, lol.

 

well if you want to get into it, the k20 is just a 197 bhp 4 banger thats not even meant to be high performance. their high performance 4 banger was the f20 and f22.

 

at least the thread title is ss vs si

 

RWD 2 seater? There is the Solstice and Sky.

 

Honda Vs GM in general?

 

dont even start i was only comparing engines not cars. hahaha. im not one of those honda is teh ****!!!111!! JDM!!! guys. i just keep it real and like to shed some light on ppl who bash cars they dont know too much about.

the SI is like a perfect blank canvas in terms of making power. thats how i see it. yes, stock its a turd performance wise.

 

Well I think most people got what i meant...... some just have faster econ boxes than other's ....or more money tied up in them than others . At the end of the day it still "is what it is" .

I have never owned a Honda .... or any foreign car for that matter. I can look past my own choice in car and see why others may have decided to buy something different ...... Thats why when I see Cobalt owners calling other car's ......of the same or higher quality "piece's of ****" .... rice .... ect.....ect....... I cant help but play devil's advocate . Hell .... we all drive 4 banger econo boxes.

 

i'm trying to find one, and if I do.... its getting a turbo LSJ


that is a '77 Sunbird... lightweight, RWD, begging for some modern technology... and it could look nice with some modern touches in the cosmetic dept.(modern suspension, wheels, tint, etc, removal of body molding, etc.)



http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/2063169843.html

thinking about calling him, if I could get pictures... i'd drive to Michigan to check it out

 

a joke? .
def not in the category or made with the intent to be in the category of "performance n/a 4 banger".

 

errrr they always play on it like it was supposed to be lol, moreso than gm would ever do with an n/a 4cyl..

 

I used to own a 08 Civic Si. And even though I liked the look and interior better then my balt, driving that thing was a pain in the ass. Revving to 4k not getting anywhere fast FTL.

 

He was spraying. One thing I've noticed is that 90% of the Honda community lies about what they have. I guess it's that weird brand loyalty the wingnuuters have that makes them act the way they do.

 

havent read any of the previous posts but my personal opinion is that they are both pretty cool cars. the si's are pretty cool and with good money can be total animals. same with the ss/sc and ss/tc balts. BUUUTTT most people on here arent going to have a 9-11 second car. most people just want a car that can beat on most v8's or run high 12's low 13s iSH.

here's some vids i found on youtube. of a i/e/tune ss/tc vs a 8 psi turbo k20 si

YouTube - cobalt ss turbo vs civic si turbo 60-140 mph

YouTube - cobalt ss turbo vs civic si turbo part 2

both pretty good races

 

yes indeed good races. however that paticular si has a crappy tune and is on the greddy kit. a full race, srt, ajp, etc si would blow a ss/tc away. some would give ryans lsj a run for his money.

 

Definitely some good runs there. I agree with Dart, however. Some tuning would probably make a decent difference. AJP definitely has a much better turbo system than Greddy. Either way, thats a massive gain for the SI to be able to run with that TC.

 

agree ...but in the long run its a car with $900-$1800 in mods vs a car with at lest 6k in mods maybe more ... any car can be fast if you dump enough cash into it.