Yep ..... everyone saying the SI's are slow or junk would be seeing SI tail lights if IT had a M62 or K04 kit.... "bolted on" lol.

 

What iv noticed with boosted Si's is that they are pretty limited , particularly the m62 si's,
they run 11:1 compression and no intercooler so they cant run nearly as much boost as we can (safely), but with their high compression they end up making about the same hp as a pullied down SS/SC with bolt ons,and less tq on only 10psi... so still a pretty even race.
I think the SI would win in the 1/4 due to its gearing but not by a whole lot, and from a roll things would be pretty even.

but If you look at the money put into both cars.
Si: 270hp 195tq=$3400-4000 just for supercharger kit and hondata. and how knows how much more for I/H/E
SS:270hp 240ish tq =roughly $1500-2500 bucks for a stage kit header and exhaust other bolt ons.
Note: not real numbers just something to chew on.

 

Whose idea was it his? If you know you should put it in 2nd why agree to 3rd at 40?

Everyone?

 

Whose idea was it his? If you know you should put it in 2nd why agree to 3rd at 40?


because we were jus chillin washin the cars and we decided to run and he was like 3rd gear 40 roll and i said sure...not like we were racing for money or anything...jus for fun i still put him away he jus had me on the start

 

OMG!! 12s Si (All Motor) - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum

 

Why?
Car in question was stock, post up a modded LSJ..

 

Not really. The comptech supercharger makes about 230 whp at 5 psi and is good for a high 13.

 

this is all motor... and its not even crazy mods. just cams and bolt ons with a great tune and slicks. i dont see many m62 lsj's in the 12's.


lol. and to make things fair. you can tvs swap a lsj, and slap a m62 on the civic, and the civic can make just as much power as the tvs balt

 

maybe if you have a shitty tune and no supporting mods.

 

Point was what does that link have to do with a stock SS/SC vs a stock SI?

 

Nope, that's what they make with a comptech, intake, header, etc, on 5 lbs, and still make less than 200 wtq.. I had an SI sedan for awhile and have been down this road. The only way to go on those cars is turbo. If you want an FI car, buy a FI car to begin with. Trying to boost a car with an 11.1 compression is not good. Not to mention, those cars have to be built for anything over 350 whp.

I don't buy that 12 second run. Something definitely does not add up. Especially the part about slicks knocking off a full second. I think he's getting the slicks confused with the 100 shot he's running, lol. Maybe he did run that legit, but it doesn't add up imo.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0_g_Yl4vhY

 

Many SI's are in 12's all motor? I wonder why the thread was OMG!!111!11. Stu pulled better times on a 2.85.

 

I would question that 12 second SI run.

 

Wonder what the SI raced that ran 94.6mph in the 1/8 and 127.6 in the 1/4.

 

you know there are tons of 400+ whp civic si's on stock internals right? some are even near 500whp.

also, they used the reflash for the dyno, not flashpro.

there werent a lot of mods on it, thats why. theres still a lot he can do to it.

 

Still what was the point in it? Doesn't matter if your F/I or not high 12's isn't fast and has nothing to do with the og topic.

How many people have ran similar?

 

the thing is that its n/a.. with mods that arent that crazy also. i know what stock vs stock does, but im just playing the mod it game. thats all. i find it amazing a n/a 4 banger that weighs just as much as our cars can run 12's and not be fully built or anything.

 

Some POS Neon from Virginia is what I heard.

Give me a break man. I know people do all kinds of stupid **** (like trying to push 4-500 hp on stock Honda motors), but that doesn't mean anything other than they have a ticking time bomb that is slapped together and is subject to blow at any second. Wonder how much HP I can spray into my stock block and brag about before it pops?

Find me an SI making 230+whp on a 5 psi, supercharged. I'll wait.

I'm not saying they have zero potential or are a POS. I'm just saying there are certain steps to take in order to do it right and make power. Slapping a roots charger on it isn't the best idea nor does it turn them into anything other than a mid to high 13 second car, sorry.

 

You posted that because people said SI's are slow. Really can't compare the two engines. I'm sure if GM wanted to make a "performance" high compression 4cyl it would all be the same.

 

.............lol..........classic ricer argument when one of them loses....
drop the f/i and up the compression in our motors to what they are and you then have similar power levels, given honda heads are generally better to support this, but you get the gist.

 

with slicks, no seats, etc... a mildly modded LNF could hit 11s like that


you give a LNF a ported head, bolt-ons, a tune, a set of slicks, and no seat and i'd bet money it'd go WELL into the 11s... People got into the 11s on the stock turbo BEFORE the fueling tables were unlocked in the ECM


I know you are going to say "well if the Civic had a turbo".... well, if the LNF had a Bull's eye S256


because in 2008 a good friend of mine paid $23,000 for his Civic Si, the sticker on my Cobalt was $24,400(I got out of there cheaper than that though)... they cost nearly the same new, stock for stock, i'd beat him by multiple car lengths, now mod for mod, its unbelievably WORSE than it was stock for stock, lol

 

Plus I'm sure if GM wanted a nice NA 4 cyl they could have made a nice head instead of all the work in DI.

 

COMplex's Stage X Superchargery Thread - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum

 

whats the 2.4 ss/na supposed to be then? not saying its high compression, but thats their performance n/a 4 banger right there.

 

and once again.... god damn 180 ft-lbs!!!!1 DAYUM!