Originally Posted by doubledamageXX

Things arent the same anymore. Back when subies were big, they were making 300hp, and the mustang gt's of the same year were making 265hp. The last Camaros were making 350 but we all know with some simple mods the subie could be there, even more so from a dig. (with mods) The Vr6 gti was only making 200hp, Mazda Rx8 230hp, 350z were making 300 but didnt have the same torque ratings. The Sti's were a powerhouse subaru just dropped the ball. While everyone else is making the next big thing, the sti stayed the same.

And on the same token your taking a car that in some cases is 6 years newer, and comparing it. I know its extreme but thats like saying, well my tc can beat my dads c4 corvette. Im sure it can, but there is also, 15 year difference, in technology and development. Sti's are using an 20 year old motor, and to say you beat one, doesnt have the same ring it used to. Espically from a roll and in a straight line.

Originally Posted by ramrod1337

So you say the older sti's are better than the newer generation, but comparing it to a newer Lnf is unfair? Hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm...
Wouldn't you want to compare the best, which you claim is the older generation? So just because subaru uses older technology it's unfair? If that's the case why dint they update?

Originally Posted by doubledamageXX

I didnt say the older was better than new. However, i used the basis, of an 04 05 becuase, it was best for my example in proving that things change, while subaru didnt. Its had the same, 300hp since 2004. Even look at the cobalt, it saw a second update, in less than 4 years, lsj to lnf. And that saying you beat one, dosent have the same meaning anymore.

Its not about whats fair and whats not, lol your winning against a car that hasn't changed. (and is that your fault, lol nope, just an observation)

Oh and to be fair. Yes they did update, basically suspension only. : ) Why fix it, or update it, when people buy it anyways? Oh and they are talking about doing a big update, with next gen sti, sometime around 2014 but nothing offical has been announced.

Originally Posted by doubledamageXX

I didnt say the older was better than new. However, i used the basis, of an 04 05 becuase, it was best for my example in proving that things change, while subaru didnt. Its had the same, 300hp since 2004. Even look at the cobalt, it saw a second update, in less than 4 years, lsj to lnf. And that saying you beat one, dosent have the same meaning anymore.

Its not about whats fair and whats not, lol your winning against a car that hasn't changed. (and is that your fault, lol nope, just an observation)

Oh and to be fair. Yes they did update, basically suspension only. : ) Why fix it, or update it, when people buy it anyways? Oh and they are talking about doing a big update, with next gen sti, sometime around 2014 but nothing offical has been announced.

Originally Posted by CudaJoe

the big update is because the rules of the world rally organization are changing. They have to make the car smaller, like Hyundai Accent sized or chevy Aveo sized. They are going to switch to a 1.8L turbo motor (or was it 2.0t?) The car will make about 265hp but will weigh in at about 2700-2800Ibs and AWD.

Heck it might even be a 1.6 turbo. I cant remember but its completely different then what they are doing now. It will be a coupe as well.

Originally Posted by doubledamageXX

Almost forgot, if you ask me, the reason why the STi had an update with suspension is because the TC embarrassed it around a racetrack.