Quirks/Ups and Downs of TC's
haha good headlights.... thats ******* hilarious. maybe this is your first car. you must not have been in a car with decent lamps. My 03 wrx had better bifiliment headlights, and my 02 maxima had oem HID reflectors along with a dedicated high beam which both stay on with high beam. Hell my girlfriends 08 altima SL with halogens has a better pattern, and uniform output.
Take a spin in a 5 series BMW, or a audi w/ HID's you will be blown away with how much better these applications really are. The cobalt lights would be nice for say a riding lawnmower.
Take a spin in a 5 series BMW, or a audi w/ HID's you will be blown away with how much better these applications really are. The cobalt lights would be nice for say a riding lawnmower.
haha good headlights.... thats ******* hilarious. maybe this is your first car. you must not have been in a car with decent lamps. My 03 wrx had better bifiliment headlights, and my 02 maxima had oem HID reflectors along with a dedicated high beam which both stay on with high beam. Hell my girlfriends 08 altima SL with halogens has a better pattern, and uniform output.
Take a spin in a 5 series BMW, or a audi w/ HID's you will be blown away with how much better these applications really are. The cobalt lights would be nice for say a riding lawnmower.
Take a spin in a 5 series BMW, or a audi w/ HID's you will be blown away with how much better these applications really are. The cobalt lights would be nice for say a riding lawnmower.
Odd my dad has a 745i, with bi-xenon.....
I don't think that would be very hard...you program to computer to put any more than 260 hp and 260 lb/ft of torque to the wheels, they could deny your claim...unless it is a leaky sunroof or something...basically you can kiss your powertrain warranty goodbye...
I have Rural and City.... the 745's headlights are Amazing.., considering they are the top of line...
but that's the thing, they are not 10 X better then the cobalt....
maybe 2 X better then the cobalt... Yes it gives out whiter light, yes it goes out further and wider...
But I mean it's not a day and night difference... and I'm not blind...
There is a day and night difference between my civic and the cobalt.....
but that's the thing, they are not 10 X better then the cobalt....
maybe 2 X better then the cobalt... Yes it gives out whiter light, yes it goes out further and wider...
But I mean it's not a day and night difference... and I'm not blind...
There is a day and night difference between my civic and the cobalt.....
well,
get rid of the camaro, this balt is a serious performance car. i mean, yeah it's a 4 banger, but there is so much stuff you can do to it, and it's worth every penny. trust me, i've done cashed in on the first part of my project, but it's well worth it, and the best part of it is that i ain't nowhere near bein done. it's a monster, so yeah, you should get one.
If my dad will go for it I will probably choose the SS. New car, warranty, 0% interest and all that sound better than a wrx that is 4 years old no warranty and thats been beat on. We'll see for sure though.
Ill share my 6300 miles of experience on an 09 Cobalt SS
Pros
-Available in a sedan
-Great gas mileage
-excellent low end for a 2.0 4, you wont need to downshift in traffic
-excellent suspension characteristics in ideal climates
-traps 105 stock
-for 350 bucks you can pick up another 50hp and 80lbft
-Great connectivity (usb/ipod/mp3/blueooth)
Cons
-Dated exterior design
-Horrible headlight illumination
-Flimsy interior
-Steering wheel doesnt telescope
-you have to buy your own armrest
-lots of rattles
-Small fuel tank
-slight lag in throttle response
-front brakes squeal below 40 degrees
-suspension makes awful noises below 30 degrees and will be quite harsh on bad roads
-rear brakes have uneven wear and chew through rotors and inboard pads
-Sold only with summer tires, if you live up north you will need another wheelset or all seasons
-aftermarket tune will void powertrain warranty unless its GM's exact calibration (which may or may not get released)
did i miss anything?
Pros
-Available in a sedan
-Great gas mileage
-excellent low end for a 2.0 4, you wont need to downshift in traffic
-excellent suspension characteristics in ideal climates
-traps 105 stock
-for 350 bucks you can pick up another 50hp and 80lbft
-Great connectivity (usb/ipod/mp3/blueooth)
Cons
-Dated exterior design
-Horrible headlight illumination
-Flimsy interior
-Steering wheel doesnt telescope
-you have to buy your own armrest
-lots of rattles
-Small fuel tank
-slight lag in throttle response
-front brakes squeal below 40 degrees
-suspension makes awful noises below 30 degrees and will be quite harsh on bad roads
-rear brakes have uneven wear and chew through rotors and inboard pads
-Sold only with summer tires, if you live up north you will need another wheelset or all seasons
-aftermarket tune will void powertrain warranty unless its GM's exact calibration (which may or may not get released)
did i miss anything?
X2!!!!!!!!!! LOL BUT I STILL LOVE MI KAR! PROS OUT WEIGH THA CONS GET ONE I BET U WILL LOVE !
Ill share my 6300 miles of experience on an 09 Cobalt SS
Pros
-Available in a sedan
-Great gas mileage
-excellent low end for a 2.0 4, you wont need to downshift in traffic
-excellent suspension characteristics in ideal climates
-traps 105 stock
-for 350 bucks you can pick up another 50hp and 80lbft
-Great connectivity (usb/ipod/mp3/blueooth)
Cons
-Dated exterior design
-Horrible headlight illumination
-Flimsy interior
-Steering wheel doesnt telescope
-you have to buy your own armrest
-lots of rattles
-Small fuel tank
-slight lag in throttle response
-front brakes squeal below 40 degrees
-suspension makes awful noises below 30 degrees and will be quite harsh on bad roads
-rear brakes have uneven wear and chew through rotors and inboard pads
-Sold only with summer tires, if you live up north you will need another wheelset or all seasons
-aftermarket tune will void powertrain warranty unless its GM's exact calibration (which may or may not get released)
did i miss anything?
Pros
-Available in a sedan
-Great gas mileage
-excellent low end for a 2.0 4, you wont need to downshift in traffic
-excellent suspension characteristics in ideal climates
-traps 105 stock
-for 350 bucks you can pick up another 50hp and 80lbft
-Great connectivity (usb/ipod/mp3/blueooth)
Cons
-Dated exterior design
-Horrible headlight illumination
-Flimsy interior
-Steering wheel doesnt telescope
-you have to buy your own armrest
-lots of rattles
-Small fuel tank
-slight lag in throttle response
-front brakes squeal below 40 degrees
-suspension makes awful noises below 30 degrees and will be quite harsh on bad roads
-rear brakes have uneven wear and chew through rotors and inboard pads
-Sold only with summer tires, if you live up north you will need another wheelset or all seasons
-aftermarket tune will void powertrain warranty unless its GM's exact calibration (which may or may not get released)
did i miss anything?
X2!!!!!!!!!! LOL BUT I STILL LOVE MI KAR! PROS OUT WEIGH THA CONS GET ONE I BET U WILL LOVE !
Ill share my 6300 miles of experience on an 09 Cobalt SS
Pros
-Available in a sedan
-Great gas mileage
-excellent low end for a 2.0 4, you wont need to downshift in traffic
-excellent suspension characteristics in ideal climates
-traps 105 stock
-for 350 bucks you can pick up another 50hp and 80lbft
-Great connectivity (usb/ipod/mp3/blueooth)
Cons
-Dated exterior design
-Horrible headlight illumination
-Flimsy interior
-Steering wheel doesnt telescope
-you have to buy your own armrest
-lots of rattles
-Small fuel tank
-slight lag in throttle response
-front brakes squeal below 40 degrees
-suspension makes awful noises below 30 degrees and will be quite harsh on bad roads
-rear brakes have uneven wear and chew through rotors and inboard pads
-Sold only with summer tires, if you live up north you will need another wheelset or all seasons
-aftermarket tune will void powertrain warranty unless its GM's exact calibration (which may or may not get released)
did i miss anything?
Pros
-Available in a sedan
-Great gas mileage
-excellent low end for a 2.0 4, you wont need to downshift in traffic
-excellent suspension characteristics in ideal climates
-traps 105 stock
-for 350 bucks you can pick up another 50hp and 80lbft
-Great connectivity (usb/ipod/mp3/blueooth)
Cons
-Dated exterior design
-Horrible headlight illumination
-Flimsy interior
-Steering wheel doesnt telescope
-you have to buy your own armrest
-lots of rattles
-Small fuel tank
-slight lag in throttle response
-front brakes squeal below 40 degrees
-suspension makes awful noises below 30 degrees and will be quite harsh on bad roads
-rear brakes have uneven wear and chew through rotors and inboard pads
-Sold only with summer tires, if you live up north you will need another wheelset or all seasons
-aftermarket tune will void powertrain warranty unless its GM's exact calibration (which may or may not get released)
did i miss anything?
X2!!!!!!!!!! LOL BUT I STILL LOVE MI KAR! PROS OUT WEIGH THA CONS GET ONE I BET U WILL LOVE !
Ill share my 6300 miles of experience on an 09 Cobalt SS
Pros
-Available in a sedan
-Great gas mileage
-excellent low end for a 2.0 4, you wont need to downshift in traffic
-excellent suspension characteristics in ideal climates
-traps 105 stock
-for 350 bucks you can pick up another 50hp and 80lbft
-Great connectivity (usb/ipod/mp3/blueooth)
Cons
-Dated exterior design
-Horrible headlight illumination
-Flimsy interior
-Steering wheel doesnt telescope
-you have to buy your own armrest
-lots of rattles
-Small fuel tank
-slight lag in throttle response
-front brakes squeal below 40 degrees
-suspension makes awful noises below 30 degrees and will be quite harsh on bad roads
-rear brakes have uneven wear and chew through rotors and inboard pads
-Sold only with summer tires, if you live up north you will need another wheelset or all seasons
-aftermarket tune will void powertrain warranty unless its GM's exact calibration (which may or may not get released)
did i miss anything?
Pros
-Available in a sedan
-Great gas mileage
-excellent low end for a 2.0 4, you wont need to downshift in traffic
-excellent suspension characteristics in ideal climates
-traps 105 stock
-for 350 bucks you can pick up another 50hp and 80lbft
-Great connectivity (usb/ipod/mp3/blueooth)
Cons
-Dated exterior design
-Horrible headlight illumination
-Flimsy interior
-Steering wheel doesnt telescope
-you have to buy your own armrest
-lots of rattles
-Small fuel tank
-slight lag in throttle response
-front brakes squeal below 40 degrees
-suspension makes awful noises below 30 degrees and will be quite harsh on bad roads
-rear brakes have uneven wear and chew through rotors and inboard pads
-Sold only with summer tires, if you live up north you will need another wheelset or all seasons
-aftermarket tune will void powertrain warranty unless its GM's exact calibration (which may or may not get released)
did i miss anything?
Last edited by XxCOBALT_TURBOxX; Feb 24, 2009 at 11:37 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
get rid of the camaro, this balt is a serious performance car. i mean, yeah it's a 4 banger, but there is so much stuff you can do to it, and it's worth every penny. trust me, i've done cashed in on the first part of my project, but it's well worth it, and the best part of it is that i ain't nowhere near bein done. it's a monster, so yeah, you should get one. 
traded in my 96 cavalier coldair intake, pacesetter header and jet power module on an 09 cobalt ss.
I thought the firechicken handling was pretty good, until I started pushing the ss.
dump the tank oops sorry camaro
I haven't missed driving the firechicken but then again its been a while since we've had a nice hot day to pop off the t-tops and go for a ride.
here's the scoop from vince at trifecta performance.
1. The ECU tracks a certain number of flash sessions in its memory (probably somewhere around 10-20). It stores information about the calibration that was in its memory such as the part number, checksums and calibration verification numbers. In theory this information could be used to be ascertain how many times an ECU was flashed and whether it was flashed with a stock or non-stock calibration.
2. The dealerships use the Tech2 for flashing on-board modules, such as the ECU. The Tech2 might be able to tell the dealer if the ECU currently has a non-stock flash on it, but it cannot read out the flash session history. But in the case of a significant warranty claim, I would expect the factory has the ability to gather this information.
3. It is my understanding that it is illegal per warranty law to automatically void a warranty just because an aftermarket product (including a custom tune) was installed on the vehicle although I hear more and more stories about service departments using scare tactics with customers, saying if you even breathe on the ECU it will void the warranty. By doing this they are essentially asking the customer to play chicken with the manufacturer and I’d say in maybe 50% of the cases this is enough to convince most people not to flash the ECU. I am not a warranty law expert though.
4. An ex-GM tech that works at a local speed shop told me the dealerships don’t check anything if there’s a blown engine warranty job - they just replace it and move on.
5. Even if one was able to get around the whole ECU reflash issue by buying a spare ECU and using that for their custom tune, in the newer cars there are other modules in the vehicle that record data about the vehicle (like an airplane’s flight data recorder). In the event of a significant warranty claim the factory might be able to analyze these modules and determine the vehicle, at the time of failure had been experiencing acceleration ramps outside the normal specifications and might deduce there was some sort of modification to the vehicle, and hence might deny a warranty claim.
6. There are companies out there touting “stealth tunes”. This is a total sham. “Stealth tunes” rely on modifying the ECM’s code to ignore the accuracy of the checksum and calibration verification numbers and then use factory values so to the Tech2 sees a “factory” tune. However, ECU reflash history is still in the ECU, and in the case of a significant warranty claim, the factory would probably examine every bit and byte in that ECU and discover the custom tune.
7. As recently as last year the local Cobalt owner who offered his car up for R&D to develop the 2.2 tune blew up his transmission and was able to get it replaced under warranty despite the dealership finding a custom tune in the ECU. They gave him a hard time about it but they still replaced the transmission.
neither trifecta nor I will lie to you guys, that's bad business, putting a grade 8 bolt where a grade 5 bolt used to be can void your warranty, but they still have to prove what you did caused damage to the part you are requesting to be replaced. No aftermarket part (including tuning) can void your warranty, it's in your warranty paperwork and manual.
1. The ECU tracks a certain number of flash sessions in its memory (probably somewhere around 10-20). It stores information about the calibration that was in its memory such as the part number, checksums and calibration verification numbers. In theory this information could be used to be ascertain how many times an ECU was flashed and whether it was flashed with a stock or non-stock calibration.
2. The dealerships use the Tech2 for flashing on-board modules, such as the ECU. The Tech2 might be able to tell the dealer if the ECU currently has a non-stock flash on it, but it cannot read out the flash session history. But in the case of a significant warranty claim, I would expect the factory has the ability to gather this information.
3. It is my understanding that it is illegal per warranty law to automatically void a warranty just because an aftermarket product (including a custom tune) was installed on the vehicle although I hear more and more stories about service departments using scare tactics with customers, saying if you even breathe on the ECU it will void the warranty. By doing this they are essentially asking the customer to play chicken with the manufacturer and I’d say in maybe 50% of the cases this is enough to convince most people not to flash the ECU. I am not a warranty law expert though.
4. An ex-GM tech that works at a local speed shop told me the dealerships don’t check anything if there’s a blown engine warranty job - they just replace it and move on.
5. Even if one was able to get around the whole ECU reflash issue by buying a spare ECU and using that for their custom tune, in the newer cars there are other modules in the vehicle that record data about the vehicle (like an airplane’s flight data recorder). In the event of a significant warranty claim the factory might be able to analyze these modules and determine the vehicle, at the time of failure had been experiencing acceleration ramps outside the normal specifications and might deduce there was some sort of modification to the vehicle, and hence might deny a warranty claim.
6. There are companies out there touting “stealth tunes”. This is a total sham. “Stealth tunes” rely on modifying the ECM’s code to ignore the accuracy of the checksum and calibration verification numbers and then use factory values so to the Tech2 sees a “factory” tune. However, ECU reflash history is still in the ECU, and in the case of a significant warranty claim, the factory would probably examine every bit and byte in that ECU and discover the custom tune.
7. As recently as last year the local Cobalt owner who offered his car up for R&D to develop the 2.2 tune blew up his transmission and was able to get it replaced under warranty despite the dealership finding a custom tune in the ECU. They gave him a hard time about it but they still replaced the transmission.
neither trifecta nor I will lie to you guys, that's bad business, putting a grade 8 bolt where a grade 5 bolt used to be can void your warranty, but they still have to prove what you did caused damage to the part you are requesting to be replaced. No aftermarket part (including tuning) can void your warranty, it's in your warranty paperwork and manual.
Last edited by 2007 ion2; Feb 25, 2009 at 06:50 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
HAHA.... I never had cruise control in my SS/SC. Everytime i tried to turn it on, it would mysteriously shut off either immediately, or after driving a little bit. Those damn gremlins..


