if everyone stopped buying cobalts this wouldnt be an issue.

 

there is a problem with the rear pads on these cars... they wear out ENTIRELY too quickly, no its not from "riding with the parking brake on"... we're not morons, most of us have owned manual cars before... guess what, rear pads didn't wear out before the front brakes on those cars... the brake bias IS set to the front, meaning when you brake, there is more friction present in them(stoppping power) than the rears... in theory, they SHOULD wear down faster... they do not, as there is a problem with the rear pads... the techs agree, unfortunately GM's fix is....."put on another set"

which is NOT fixing the problem, its patching it

 

Ok, well, the only things I have to complain about is when I first bought my car my left rear tire leaked - the dealer patched that within a week without charge and my rotors were screwed since 3500 miles, but lucky for me my uncle's brother is head mechanic at a Chevy dealership near me. So he won't give me the run around about how my car was abused when abusing the car has nothing to do with rear brakes. IMO recently many things have been having multiple problems on multiple cars because right now with the crap economy, everyone is looking for a cheaper way to do something.

All in all, suck it up and try to get a recall out on it, you probably abused your car a lot more than you should, probably tried street racing everything in site and expected things to not break. If you don't want things to break, take care of your car and know what the basics of a car with a turbo are before buying it so you know what to do and what not to do.

 

my car barely broke 10,000k little while ago. my car sounds like a POS every time i pull up to a stop light. i dont even use my brakes hard either. i am very gentle with them. its frustrating, i will definately file.

 

If its squealing its because you don't use them hard.

 

^^^either way you shouldnt be required to stop hard in a brand new car to stop an annoying squealing. Common GM problem...always has been always will be.

 

Then swap out the higher performance pads for some low performance pads.

I haven't had a problem with squealing pads in other GM cars and I don't have it with this one unless I barely touch the brakes to stop.

 

^^^yea i should have to downgrade my brakes to stop a problem on my top of the line model car. Thats ridiculous. Its fine that you have not had a problem with your cars...but that does not mean its not a common problem with GM.

 

Its a performance pad what are you expecting?

 

are you serious? Ask other car companies why there brakes dont squeal on their performance cars. Then give the answer to GM. If you think its acceptable to buy a 25k dollar car and have the brakes squeal because your not driving it hard enough then your a little delusional. Then when you drive it to hard the brakes "wear" aparently....then its not covered under warranty. Its a joke.

Id expect a little bit of quality when buying the top of the line model of any car. I had the same issue with the brakes squealing...which means im not driving it hard enough? but within 3k miles my rotors and pads were warped and worn. Not covered under warranty. lose lose situation.

 

Yeah no other car with high performance brakes makes noise.

 

it would not matter if they did, its still not acceptable regardless. your a funny guy...you just dont get it. i would say this about any car with a problem...it just so happens we are talking about the flimsy cobalt.

 

It just so happens that all you do is come into threads to try and trash the cobalt because you are a troll. Go away.

Common problem???

GM has some of the best brake systems in the industry in terms of quality, reliability, and serviceability. You are just to ignorant to even understand how a brake system works, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

 

You're accusing me of driving around with the parking brake on...seriously? You're an idiot! All of these other mysterious problems...hahaha...I just don't feel like venting about EVERY issue I have with the car.

You must work for a GM dealer...you're pathetic and part of the reason GM has lost market share! Blaming the consumer for EVERYTHING doesn't get you repeat buyers!

If GM was so great...they wouldn't have gone bankrupt, they wouldn't have lost ALL that market-share...stop deluding yourself kid...

I drank the kool-aid and thought they were making decent product for once...I was severely mistaken...

 

By the nature of your posts, you seem like the kind of person that might do such a thing.

They have actually gained market share, and recently posted a large profit for this quarter of 2010.

Kid

You are clueless. They never stopped selling vehicles, and therefore they never "lost all of their market share". Stop making things up.

No, you are just severely biased and you have unrealistic expectations. If you want a vehicle with no maintenance or service ever required, ride a bicycle.

 

Hey that's not fair, bikes need maintenance too.

We will never see a recall on this

 

I doubt it either, there are no defective parts. The pads are not defective, the rotors are not defective, and the calipers are not defective. The issue basically results from a lack of lubrication on the slide pins, which causes uneve/premature wear on the braking components.

If the slide pins lock up under warranty, they should just put new pads/rotors on anyway free of cost. If you are out of warranty (36K miles/3 years) its probably time to replace the rear brakes anyway. They are a wear and tear item, they do not last forever.

 

Tick for tack...I think the commonly used phrase you're looking for is...tit for tat...

As for your "facts", could you please site your sources?


I am going to call you out and say that everything you posted is just flat out wrong...

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/toy...ne-in-recalls/

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/tot...s-of-all-time/

And before you call me some Jap loving whatever...did I not buy a ******* American car?

This isn't rocket science. People left GM over a period of DECADES due to poor customer satisfaction. They stayed with other brands. Toyota being one of them, having the highest customer satisfaction and customer retention of any brand in the US. That isn't perception...that's a fact.

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/06/j...mer-retention/


You are delusional. I don't have expectations that are THAT high. My rear brakes were toast in the first 4k miles...

GM lost A TON OF MARKET SHARE FROM ITS PEAK! I'm not making this stuff up! Also, where did I say they stopped selling vehicles? Good grief guy...


http://www.carofthecentury.com/answe...are_plunge.htm


You are absolutely delusional!

 

And all you do is cry about it because your stupid brake pads wore out. Please.

You know what else is a fact?? Toyota's poor engineering and complete lack of responsibility has led to an epidemic over unintended acceleration, poor brake system performance, complete loss of power steering, and failing brakes in Priuses. Not to mention the worst pickup truck to grace American roads in the past 10 years, the Toyota Tundra. Worst quality pickup on the market, right up there with the Nissan Titan, which is finally being discontinued.

Hopefully all those Toyota owners go out and get rid of those pieces of **** and buy GM, Ford, and Chrysler vehicles. At least they won't get killed by their own car.

Yet somehow mine are still like new with 46K on them. Interesting. Must be those defective parts

You are posting a graph that is 6 years old. Completely irrelevent in today's market.

You said they lost ALL (100%) of their market share. That would mean they sold zero vehicles. Use your head.

 

08sstc...why is it that literally nobody ever agrees with you? your never right. you wouldnt know a quality car if it bit you in the ass. It does not matter if they use the greatest parts known to man. The system does not work and the parts wear! DUH! id rather have the worst quality brakes and them not wear out. Grow up you are extremley stupid.

 

See that's the thing, the system DOES work, but people don't read the number of posts some of us have put up as to what needs to be done from a maintenance perspective to keep the system functioning. Is the system perfect, no. Does it require more maintenance than I would expect from rear disc brakes, most definitely but with due dilligence they can be kept in good working order. Flaws of the stock system in general (I know some around here as well as on the forums that have had no problems either:

1. Dry slide pins from factory. These will eventually bind up.
2. Rear rotors are not up to the task as rear pads are very agressive.
3. Casting of the pad holder isn't perfect but with proper maintenance the pads should not bind up.
4. No boot around the slide pins resulting in **** build-up on the pins/against the caliper if you're not paying attention. This leads to binding as the pins can't function the way they're supposed to.
5. Front rotors will eventually end up with a 2mm lip around them as the Ferrodos dig into the rotor as opposed to sluffing off. My friend had 50,000ish KM on his and the front rotors were a trainwreck...mine were on their way but still functional.

I did brakes on 2 TCs in one weekend (both replaced with R1 Concepts/Hawk HPS) and the short-comings were the same on both vehicles. We had the holders off both cars at the same time and compared rotors side-by-side. Also did a heavy amount of investigation into whether or not the caliper was contacting the rotor (which it was not) and found in both cases the pads were doing the same thing. Mine was better than my friends because I had a service done well before they were bound up for an extended period of time (thank god for winter).

 

4k miles...that is NOTHING. You're an idiot for defending GM on this issue. Not much else I can say about that...


God, you are SO ignorant. That epidemic over SUA is a media craze and nothing more. The Lincoln Towncar had more reports of SUA than the Toyota Camry. Dr. Gilbert turned out to be a HACK, and Toyota is still going strong.

It will take years to confirm this, but at the end of the day it will turn out to be nothing more than driver error.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/11/op...11schmidt.html

The Prius didn't have brake failures. That is just not the case at all.

"The complaints received via our dealers center around when drivers are on a bumpy road or frozen surface," Paul Nolasco, a Toyota Motor Corp. spokesman in Japan, said. "The driver steps on the brake and they do not get as full of a braking feel as expected."

Oh, and the Ford Fusion Hybrid experienced the same issue...

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/02/04...on-hybrid-mod/

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/are...ssues-related/


Poor brake system performance...please cite your sources on this. That is a very vague comment...

As for safety...go check the NHTSA and IIHS websites for what auto manufacturer has safer vehicles...it surely won't be GM or Chrysler over Toyota, Nissan, Honda or VW.



GM has for years made some of the deadliest vehicles on the road.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...hs_safest.html

Good for you, you paid out of pocket for AFTERMARKET PARTS! I refuse to deal with this on a car that had an issue within the first two months of ownership...



You know, you're right. GM is now hovering around 18-19% of US market-share...so they have continued to decline since those graphs were put together...



You're the one that needs to use his head. I miss-typed then...not a big deal. At the end of the day...GM has gone from controlling 48% of the US automotive market to a current 19%...they have lost a great deal of market-share because of a lack of quality in their vehicles, bad customer satisfaction and an arrogance that is very similar to what you're displaying on here...blaming the consumer for the manufacturer's shortcomings is what got GM to the 19% they're currently at. The Big 3 have NO ONE to blame but themselves! You can't treat your customers like **** and expect them to stick around!

It is an absolutely absurd notion that I should have to go in and replace parts MYSELF on a brand new vehicle.


At the end of the day, you're a complete idiot! You brought NOTHING factual to this discussion and you proceeded to blame a customer with an absolutely absurd accusation of driving around with the parking brake on...

Stay classy!

 

no point in talking to this guy. Hes the type of person the world laughs at. The day somebody says a chevy is better quality than toyota is the day the world ends. Chrysler is the absolute worst steaming pile of garbage company in existance. Ford...yea fixed or repaired daily....i wonder how it got that nickname. Gm has declined and will continue to decline until they collapse(oh wait they already did, luckily the rest of our economy sucks to so the government HAD to bail them out) because they dont give a crap about producing a quality automobile. Goodbye saturn/goodbye pontiac. The proof is in the pudding, after years of producing crap, it has finally caught up with the US automotive industry.


regardless...the brakes ARE an issue. This is a complaint thread. If you dont like it, do not post in it. stop trolling a discussion between men.

 

It's a complaint thread, but some of us are trying to point out what to look for/what to do to resolve it before the brakes absolutely go to hell and are in need of replacement, etc .

 

exactly. IF you hate the car because of the brakes which will cost at the most 500$ to fix. Then your stupid. Seriously the car is an amazing little machine and the brakes are an easy fix, just fix them yourself. Its the only way anything gets done the right way right? do it yourself.