CCSS3 Tuned - Just got Dyno'd...
That dyno chart is a perfect example of what I am talking about. There is nothing but HP plotted. Where is the torque, or at least rpm so people can figure it out. Where is the afr? Where is the boost? The only thing shown is an STD corrected hp curve meant to show the highest hp number and nothing else. BTW, this isn't meant to say anything negative to you or about your car. It is the dyno shops that irritate me with their lack of ability to provide useful data.
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Depending on which clutch you went with, it doesn't take long to break in. I put maybe 200 miles on mine and its just fine. I have a 6 puck ceramic clutch for reference. The stock turbo doesn't make enough torque to overcome a strong pressure plate.
Lol.... It works like this......I don't get paid any money, I don't get any compensation at all either. I do this to give our community affordable, respectable , friendly, holding power clutches...
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Tell the snow to calm its **** down! Were supposed to do it tomorrow. But if it keeps this **** up we won't. I'm ordering new tires in the next few weeks. The best thing the local tire shop has is Nitto NeoGens. I don't think those will last very long at all with 400+wtq
KY Stage 3 clutch FTW!
OP wanted a conservative tune, that's what he got. It's the shops fault for not recording appropriate data.
Slap them in the face with a FISH!
By the way, I need feedback on my meth tune... when I do it... JAMES!!!
OP wanted a conservative tune, that's what he got. It's the shops fault for not recording appropriate data.
Slap them in the face with a FISH!
By the way, I need feedback on my meth tune... when I do it... JAMES!!!
New cam tables, huh? Interesting.
I'm good for any base files, just need to adjust fuel trims, lambda and timing accordingly BUT I am very interested in cam tables. Any real results or just testing right now?
I'm good for any base files, just need to adjust fuel trims, lambda and timing accordingly BUT I am very interested in cam tables. Any real results or just testing right now?
Basically everything ccss3 is saying is correct. For the time being I wanted a safe reliable tune as this is my dd that I drive year round everyday all over the place with me working in construction. But at the same time I still wanted decent power. Now I still had the stock bypass valve and factory chargepiping on the car at this point but this weekend I am replacing that with my injen chargepiping and forge bypass valve. I'll eventually be getting another tune looking for a bit more power out of the car. But like james said before, I am happy with where the car is at right now and I am totally confident in my car being completely reliable. Minus how much quicker I seem to have burnt through my tires. This is a very conservative tune.
Timing relates to piston speed or rpm, so 17 deg of timing at 6k rpm is more conservative than 14 deg of timing at 3500 rpm. A lot of people don't understand that concept. You can add timing as rpm climbs w/o changing the reliability or 'conservative nature' of a tune.
Following that, HP is normally a cause for failure. There isn't a reason to have a tune that gives you 300HP then fades to 250. It's not like you are willing to be risky at 4k rpm but ultra conservative at 6k rpm. It's going to be just as reliable with a build that fades from 300 to 295 as it is one that fades from 300 to 250 or even 300 to 1HP.
Finally, we have noticed that on cars where boost is ECU controlled, customers are almost always happy. No matter who does the tune and how it turns out, a customer is normally 'happy' with the results. This because you can literally change 1 table in the PCM and pickup a lot of noticeable HP. And I'm not saying that this is a bad thing or a customer shouldn't be allowed to be 'happy' with any tune they feel 'happy' with. I'm just pointing out the fact that on many cars, there is a lot left to be gained, much of it w/o adding any stress or additional risk to the motor. And that's the point of giving them as much information as possible and explaining what is happening when the tune is taking place including how changed parameters affect the engine.
Last edited by Zooomer; Feb 11, 2012 at 01:34 PM.
In the effort of doing what a forum is designed to do, I need to add some information here.
Timing relates to piston speed or rpm, so 17 deg of timing at 6k rpm is more conservative than 14 deg of timing at 3500 rpm. A lot of people don't understand that concept. You can add timing as rpm climbs w/o changing the reliability or 'conservative nature' of a tune.
Following that, HP is normally a cause for failure. There isn't a reason to have a tune that gives you 300HP then fades to 250. It's not like you are willing to be risky at 4k rpm but ultra conservative at 6k rpm. It's going to be just as reliable with a build that fades from 300 to 295 as it is one that fades from 300 to 250 or even 300 to 1HP.
Finally, we have noticed that on cars where boost is ECU controlled, customer are always happy. No matter who does the tune and how it turns out, a customer is normally 'happy' with the results. This because you can literally change 1 table in the PCM and pickup a lot of noticeable HP. And I'm not saying that this is a bad thing or a customer shouldn't be allowed to be 'happy' with any tune they feel 'happy' with. I'm just pointing out the fact that on many cars, there is a lot left to be gained, much of it w/o adding any stress or additional risk to the motor.
Timing relates to piston speed or rpm, so 17 deg of timing at 6k rpm is more conservative than 14 deg of timing at 3500 rpm. A lot of people don't understand that concept. You can add timing as rpm climbs w/o changing the reliability or 'conservative nature' of a tune.
Following that, HP is normally a cause for failure. There isn't a reason to have a tune that gives you 300HP then fades to 250. It's not like you are willing to be risky at 4k rpm but ultra conservative at 6k rpm. It's going to be just as reliable with a build that fades from 300 to 295 as it is one that fades from 300 to 250 or even 300 to 1HP.
Finally, we have noticed that on cars where boost is ECU controlled, customer are always happy. No matter who does the tune and how it turns out, a customer is normally 'happy' with the results. This because you can literally change 1 table in the PCM and pickup a lot of noticeable HP. And I'm not saying that this is a bad thing or a customer shouldn't be allowed to be 'happy' with any tune they feel 'happy' with. I'm just pointing out the fact that on many cars, there is a lot left to be gained, much of it w/o adding any stress or additional risk to the motor.
Just Lulz all day. He is conserve meaning a max timing of 12* which means no more... Your post is about timing and the rpm be is litterally false. You state raising timing with rpm won't make the tune more aggressive. Umm yeah ok... Cuz if this was correct I'd just put 26 * timing on the whole top end on a gasoline tune.. .
The post about midrange timing .. yeah this may be the only true statement i seen as of yet...
Your post about the HP, I think I rolled laughing....... There is a point to ops power loss lol... Little to no timing , low boost, Catted, and a slow Ass ramp. So there is a point to it.... I can make that power curve flat but it will make the tune more aggressive . Since is easier timing and lean it a bit. The midrange power is fine for op, top dies out not because boost but because he hasno timing up top. And not only does this affect his dyno, but the fact of other things, slipping clutch, dyno issues, ect cause this..
Lol.... Having 300 HP at top other then 250 doesn't make it more conserveative lol... Really? Honestly.. that's like saying stick your Dick in a hole in the bathroom wall.. it'll be ok.... Don't worry about the other man on the other side that's gonna chop it off... Op has stock everything but intake and downpipe. So he's fine were he's at.
And laslty, about the one perameter b.s.. I dunno if you all do thay but i know for a fact i do not. I take my time and ect. But if just one table is changed there will be dramatic issues, overboost, fast ramps, ect. I control boost great and slowly for reliability of the clutch and ect.
I dunno if you came into this thread to start bs.... But I'm game. Oh yeah I have plenty customers that have great power curves ... Nice and. steady .. I also own a dinosaur .. just invade you wanna know.
The post about midrange timing .. yeah this may be the only true statement i seen as of yet...
Your post about the HP, I think I rolled laughing....... There is a point to ops power loss lol... Little to no timing , low boost, Catted, and a slow Ass ramp. So there is a point to it.... I can make that power curve flat but it will make the tune more aggressive . Since is easier timing and lean it a bit. The midrange power is fine for op, top dies out not because boost but because he hasno timing up top. And not only does this affect his dyno, but the fact of other things, slipping clutch, dyno issues, ect cause this..
Lol.... Having 300 HP at top other then 250 doesn't make it more conserveative lol... Really? Honestly.. that's like saying stick your Dick in a hole in the bathroom wall.. it'll be ok.... Don't worry about the other man on the other side that's gonna chop it off... Op has stock everything but intake and downpipe. So he's fine were he's at.
And laslty, about the one perameter b.s.. I dunno if you all do thay but i know for a fact i do not. I take my time and ect. But if just one table is changed there will be dramatic issues, overboost, fast ramps, ect. I control boost great and slowly for reliability of the clutch and ect.
I dunno if you came into this thread to start bs.... But I'm game. Oh yeah I have plenty customers that have great power curves ... Nice and. steady .. I also own a dinosaur .. just invade you wanna know.
You're English need some work Chevycobaltss3.
On the 300 to 250 and whether it's aggressive being compared to sticking your dick in a hole in the wall...
If you were having sex with your boyfriend and stuck it in 5 inches on the first stroke but then only 3" for the remainder of the session, you wouldn't be any less gay. Get it?
Point being, once you've gone to 300WHP, that's how 'aggressive' your tune is. There isn't a point to making 300 and then backing off to 250. The car isn't 'safer'.
On the timing, you don't understand how timing works which is obvious from your post. I never said anything about 26 deg of timing. I said that as rpm goes up, effective timing goes down. A concept you don't understand. You have made this painfully obvious.
You can't Know what you are NOT doing with your tuning. You made a statement earlier "Considering i tuned it and i know what the **** im doing" which is somewhat of an arrogant statement as no one can know what they DON'T know. It's impossible.
We have seen your tunes/files and I'm just saying you're leaving a lot on the table.
To anyone else, if you have a tune from this guy, stop by our shop and you can dyno no charge. We'll show you what he did, why he did it and why we do things differently. Right in the file. Then if you like, we'll adjust the parameters he isn't touching and explain how we make more power w/o being more 'aggressive'.
To you Chevycobaltss3, I have $1000 cash we make more power than you on a stock turbo Cobalt. 1 hour of tuning, you can start with your own base file. You don't even have to put up the thousand bucks. If you lose, you just have to stop bragging about your tunes. If you win, you get to brag, say you're better than ZZP, and collect a grand.
On the 300 to 250 and whether it's aggressive being compared to sticking your dick in a hole in the wall...
If you were having sex with your boyfriend and stuck it in 5 inches on the first stroke but then only 3" for the remainder of the session, you wouldn't be any less gay. Get it?
Point being, once you've gone to 300WHP, that's how 'aggressive' your tune is. There isn't a point to making 300 and then backing off to 250. The car isn't 'safer'.
On the timing, you don't understand how timing works which is obvious from your post. I never said anything about 26 deg of timing. I said that as rpm goes up, effective timing goes down. A concept you don't understand. You have made this painfully obvious.
You can't Know what you are NOT doing with your tuning. You made a statement earlier "Considering i tuned it and i know what the **** im doing" which is somewhat of an arrogant statement as no one can know what they DON'T know. It's impossible.
We have seen your tunes/files and I'm just saying you're leaving a lot on the table.
To anyone else, if you have a tune from this guy, stop by our shop and you can dyno no charge. We'll show you what he did, why he did it and why we do things differently. Right in the file. Then if you like, we'll adjust the parameters he isn't touching and explain how we make more power w/o being more 'aggressive'.
To you Chevycobaltss3, I have $1000 cash we make more power than you on a stock turbo Cobalt. 1 hour of tuning, you can start with your own base file. You don't even have to put up the thousand bucks. If you lose, you just have to stop bragging about your tunes. If you win, you get to brag, say you're better than ZZP, and collect a grand.