CCSS3 Tuned - Just got Dyno'd...
Wow, you guys come up with the worst analogies ever. It would actually be more like you saying that you will hit the pole at 55 the first time and then only hit it at 45 the next time because that is safer.
However- that doesn't matter, because now the story has changed. Initially, Zoom asked why the power drops so much up top and the response was "because there is not much timing up top." However, now it is being said that the timing is in fact ramped up at the top. Which leads to the whole point that we were trying to make. There are other factors that were overlooked.
However- that doesn't matter, because now the story has changed. Initially, Zoom asked why the power drops so much up top and the response was "because there is not much timing up top." However, now it is being said that the timing is in fact ramped up at the top. Which leads to the whole point that we were trying to make. There are other factors that were overlooked.
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The only way it can be like what you are saying is if you don't understand the physics behind it. Zoom explained how ignition timing is actually a function of time that is typically stated in degrees instead. To simplify it, this means that 15 degrees of advance at one engine speed can be exactly the same amount of spark lead as 10 degrees of advance at a lower engine speed. Now you are trying to say that adding a few degrees of timing at high rpms is somehow like hitting a pole at 55 instead of 25, which is a useless comparison as well as entirely false at the same time.
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how about zzp keeps out of all these threads and minds their own goddamn business. This is getting old as ****, you guys are seriously children. This thread had absolutely nothing to do with you… at all. You wanted to come in and wave your dicks around as if anyone in this thread is actually going to give a **** what you say. Personally I think your losing more and more customers to James and your pissed about it so you want to bash him and claim that he doesn't know what he's doing. I've tried the civil approach and that didn't seem to work, so **** you zzp. **** you. GTFO of threads you have no business in and for the love of God please enroll your employees in some sort of business etiquette courses. In the past I've brought up your less than satisfactory BBB scores, now that score applies to the general public, so you may see that you do no wrong, but the CUSTOMERS (ya know, those people that give you money) aren't on the same page obviously. why? because you ******* suck. That's why. I never get on this forum anymore and now that I see that your **** won't stop I'm going to make it a personal goal to bash your **** business and shitty service every chance I get till all your goddamn nutswingers ban me. Seriously every ******* thread you go into pertaining to tuning you cause a shitstorm of arguments. You're seriously ******* retarded. Have a wonderful day 
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Matt I swear your a kid behind a computer that over seas anything said... Your assumption of my words make me laugh. Did I say I ramped timing to 26* or did I say I ramped it to 12* at most on top. I said max 12*.. get your **** straight mid range is even lower then stock...
lulz..... love you tottie.... hahshsh
Sounds legit. .only question i have is what's for dinner.
how about zzp keeps out of all these threads and minds their own goddamn business. This is getting old as ****, you guys are seriously children. This thread had absolutely nothing to do with you
at all. You wanted to come in and wave your dicks around as if anyone in this thread is actually going to give a **** what you say. Personally I think your losing more and more customers to James and your pissed about it so you want to bash him and claim that he doesn't know what he's doing. I've tried the civil approach and that didn't seem to work, so **** you zzp. **** you. GTFO of threads you have no business in and for the love of God please enroll your employees in some sort of business etiquette courses. In the past I've brought up your less than satisfactory BBB scores, now that score applies to the general public, so you may see that you do no wrong, but the CUSTOMERS (ya know, those people that give you money) aren't on the same page obviously. why? because you ******* suck. That's why. I never get on this forum anymore and now that I see that your **** won't stop I'm going to make it a personal goal to bash your **** business and shitty service every chance I get till all your goddamn nutswingers ban me. Seriously every ******* thread you go into pertaining to tuning you cause a shitstorm of arguments. You're seriously ******* retarded. Have a wonderful day
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how about zzp keeps out of all these threads and minds their own goddamn business. This is getting old as ****, you guys are seriously children. This thread had absolutely nothing to do with you
at all. You wanted to come in and wave your dicks around as if anyone in this thread is actually going to give a **** what you say. Personally I think your losing more and more customers to James and your pissed about it so you want to bash him and claim that he doesn't know what he's doing. I've tried the civil approach and that didn't seem to work, so **** you zzp. **** you. GTFO of threads you have no business in and for the love of God please enroll your employees in some sort of business etiquette courses. In the past I've brought up your less than satisfactory BBB scores, now that score applies to the general public, so you may see that you do no wrong, but the CUSTOMERS (ya know, those people that give you money) aren't on the same page obviously. why? because you ******* suck. That's why. I never get on this forum anymore and now that I see that your **** won't stop I'm going to make it a personal goal to bash your **** business and shitty service every chance I get till all your goddamn nutswingers ban me. Seriously every ******* thread you go into pertaining to tuning you cause a shitstorm of arguments. You're seriously ******* retarded. Have a wonderful day
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Their post is true bro.
I can't wait to get a different car so I can deal with actual reputable companies instead of small time **** for brains Yankee douch bags. Then again, no ones faster than zzp. NO ONE. *rolls eyes*
I can't wait to get a different car so I can deal with actual reputable companies instead of small time **** for brains Yankee douch bags. Then again, no ones faster than zzp. NO ONE. *rolls eyes*
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Matt I swear your a kid behind a computer that over seas anything said... Your assumption of my words make me laugh. Did I say I ramped timing to 26* or did I say I ramped it to 12* at most on top. I said max 12*.. get your **** straight mid range is even lower then stock...
Lulz... Get over ureself buddy. There are things i do and I dont. If i ramp dals sooner its because a customer wants it. If i don't let boost come in till a harder load willful ******* doo... I've seen some of Ure lnf and lsj tunes and they are worse then cheesy. They look like I **** in a ******* paper bag and lit it on fite and fed it to a little pup. And the pup **** it out ... Honestly. Gtfo. I know what the **** im doing there guy.... I have multiple tunes i have made for different wants. And from what i can tell you can care less what the customer wants ... Gtfo. You know its sort of like your bnr build... You stated u couldnt get a good amount of timing on a bnr build. 26 max and as stated the mid. So sorry to tell u, looks like u could learn a fee things. Gtfo [/B]
We never claimed to be. However, I can honestly say that the tunes that I have seen from you were pretty cheesy. You jack up the DALs in such a way that when the driver gets to 40% pedal, the throttle body is fully open and the turbo is fully boosting. This is what makes their car "feel" really fast. You could take it further if you wanted. You could make 10% pedal open the throttle to 100% and people would be scared of your tunes because they make the car too fast. As far as the power fading up top- there are a lot of things that I can tell that you do not understand. It's not like it's a big deal because people are still happy when you give them for example 40 more average hp rather than 50 more average hp. It is also clear that they like the throttle response because it makes their car seem like it wants to go fast all the time. More than any of that, though, they like the low price. All of that is fine, but if you would admit that you could use some help and you would stop taking all of the potential customers to PM so you can talk crap about zzp to them in "private," then you could actually learn some things and improve your tuning abilities. I can assure you that you are leaving a lot on the table.
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In all of the chaos, you missed the point. Earlier it was simply asked why the power fades and you said that it was because there was not much timing up top. However, now you are stating that there was even less timing in the midrange. I am in no way disputing this. I am simply pointing out that your original answer was not correct, then. You are basically trying to argue both sides of this, but it makes your logic inconsistent.
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I can see it just fine. I'm willing to have a reasonable discussion about tuning. However, whenever we attempt to, we use explanations of crank angles, combustion time, octane, volumetric efficiency, etc... while the other side starts talking about putting dicks through holes in the wall, smashing cars at 55mph, retard this, dumb dick that, etc... You do realize that it can be discussed without all of that nonsense, right?
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You're English need some work Chevycobaltss3.
On the 300 to 250 and whether it's aggressive being compared to sticking your dick in a hole in the wall...
If you were having sex with your boyfriend and stuck it in 5 inches on the first stroke but then only 3" for the remainder of the session, you wouldn't be any less gay. Get it?
Point being, once you've gone to 300WHP, that's how 'aggressive' your tune is. There isn't a point to making 300 and then backing off to 250. The car isn't 'safer'.
On the timing, you don't understand how timing works which is obvious from your post. I never said anything about 26 deg of timing. I said that as rpm goes up, effective timing goes down. A concept you don't understand. You have made this painfully obvious.
You can't Know what you are NOT doing with your tuning. You made a statement earlier "Considering i tuned it and i know what the **** im doing" which is somewhat of an arrogant statement as no one can know what they DON'T know. It's impossible.
We have seen your tunes/files and I'm just saying you're leaving a lot on the table.
To anyone else, if you have a tune from this guy, stop by our shop and you can dyno no charge. We'll show you what he did, why he did it and why we do things differently. Right in the file. Then if you like, we'll adjust the parameters he isn't touching and explain how we make more power w/o being more 'aggressive'.
To you Chevycobaltss3, I have $1000 cash we make more power than you on a stock turbo Cobalt. 1 hour of tuning, you can start with your own base file. You don't even have to put up the thousand bucks. If you lose, you just have to stop bragging about your tunes. If you win, you get to brag, say you're better than ZZP, and collect a grand.
On the 300 to 250 and whether it's aggressive being compared to sticking your dick in a hole in the wall...
If you were having sex with your boyfriend and stuck it in 5 inches on the first stroke but then only 3" for the remainder of the session, you wouldn't be any less gay. Get it?
Point being, once you've gone to 300WHP, that's how 'aggressive' your tune is. There isn't a point to making 300 and then backing off to 250. The car isn't 'safer'.
On the timing, you don't understand how timing works which is obvious from your post. I never said anything about 26 deg of timing. I said that as rpm goes up, effective timing goes down. A concept you don't understand. You have made this painfully obvious.
You can't Know what you are NOT doing with your tuning. You made a statement earlier "Considering i tuned it and i know what the **** im doing" which is somewhat of an arrogant statement as no one can know what they DON'T know. It's impossible.
We have seen your tunes/files and I'm just saying you're leaving a lot on the table.
To anyone else, if you have a tune from this guy, stop by our shop and you can dyno no charge. We'll show you what he did, why he did it and why we do things differently. Right in the file. Then if you like, we'll adjust the parameters he isn't touching and explain how we make more power w/o being more 'aggressive'.
To you Chevycobaltss3, I have $1000 cash we make more power than you on a stock turbo Cobalt. 1 hour of tuning, you can start with your own base file. You don't even have to put up the thousand bucks. If you lose, you just have to stop bragging about your tunes. If you win, you get to brag, say you're better than ZZP, and collect a grand.
Matt you fail.
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l...-forum-270037/
there's the link to the civil attempt I tried with you. Hold on a few and I'll link the BBB score. You seriously never learn.
omg, what happened tp this thread?
is frogstofall coming to zzp to compare tunes or what?
Anyways, back to someone that is trying to learn some **** about tuning, then why would someone want their power to die off like stock numbers then? whats the advantage?
Whats the advantage of having power come in at a certain rpm and stay steady, then having it gradually peak at the end?
is frogstofall coming to zzp to compare tunes or what?
Anyways, back to someone that is trying to learn some **** about tuning, then why would someone want their power to die off like stock numbers then? whats the advantage?
Whats the advantage of having power come in at a certain rpm and stay steady, then having it gradually peak at the end?
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As much as you want to believe I'm an idiot hick from Kentucky, I'm not. I'm just extremely tired of trying the civil way. So maybe if I act like an employee of yours and act as if I'm an undereducated idiot then maybe you'll understand.
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zoomer's the other side now? O.o
Matt you fail.
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l...-forum-270037/
there's the link to the civil attempt I tried with you. Hold on a few and I'll link the BBB score. You seriously never learn.
Matt you fail.
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l...-forum-270037/
there's the link to the civil attempt I tried with you. Hold on a few and I'll link the BBB score. You seriously never learn.
Anyhow. It appears that you have no desire to discuss tuning. You would prefer to pull up old threads and post bbb reports that were sent to zzps old address and therefore never responded to. The only thing I am failing here is to see how any of that helps the Cobalt forum.
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The part you quoted in bold was Zoom repeating what css3 said.
Anyhow. It appears that you have no desire to discuss tuning. You would prefer to pull up old threads and post bbb reports that were sent to zzps old address and therefore never responded to. The only thing I am failing here is to see how any of that helps the Cobalt forum.
Anyhow. It appears that you have no desire to discuss tuning. You would prefer to pull up old threads and post bbb reports that were sent to zzps old address and therefore never responded to. The only thing I am failing here is to see how any of that helps the Cobalt forum.
Try to hide it if you must but that's exactly what your intentions were upon opening this thread, to try to downgrade and humiliate you competition. i.e. poking fun at his grammar, trying to catch him in a "lie", you failed at it and yet you still keep it up. bravo sir. bravo.