Wait till tomorrow *******. Wait till tomorrow.

 

Wait a second, he's going to need a tune for a CAI? I'm looking at getting out of the SRT for the SS TC - and I'll admit the cars are different - but I must really not understand the TC'd bowtie. Why is he going to need a tune for this minor mod? Way back in 03, my baseline dyno was 221 whp and K&N's CAI gave me 11 hp. Then B&B's TB exhaust gave me 21 hp. (I don't remember torque on either one of them, but when you're dealing with 250+ @ 2000 rpms in FWD, who really cares how much wheelspin I mean torque you add?) And I never had to tune.

Again, I must not understand this car's programming - ChryCo's PCMs have always been hard to crack, but have GM's engineers outdone them? Is this a function of the DI or programming or...? Thx in advance, T2, have learned a lot from this thread.

For the guy-on-the-SC-payroll's record, my GT3071 (autoX ftw) Neon produced 391 whp / 422 tq @ 21 psi (no return fuel line ftl) and my personal best is 12.49 @ 114 w/ 2.1 60' on Goodyear Eagle F1 GS3s. Didn't check your profile, but I trust that will meet your requirements.

See, that's funny... you take it to the track and give us ETs and MPH, but I want to see some dyno #s!!! But at least you'll make that other guy happy.

Yeah, this is a little foncusing. If SC is that rich, why recommend it here? Plz tell me typo cos otherwise I'm back to square one...

 

Taadaa!

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...92#post4125792

 

The SC tune has a decent A/F at 12.9-12.5. Trifecta's tune however is way to rich at 11.6-11.8 A/F ratio

 

But will he really need a tune for the CAI? I've read several comments about the air flow delta and if GM's holdup on the S1 is an intake, then I guess LNF must be extremely sensitive to mods affecting intake volume and/or temp.

 

Yeah, pretty much. The intakes change the fuel trims to much... if you don't have tuning control you'll throw rich bank 1 codes and go into a semi-limp mode!

 

Yea tuning control. Go get an HP Tuners and profess yourself a tuner. Opinions are like ********. Every HP Tuner ***** has one.

 

you really are a miserable little **** arnt you?

 

Agreed

 

lol @ the angst in these forums. The SRT crowd used to have the same issues, but it usually originated from Mustang owners: "Dude, i have a V8, i own u and yer slow neon."

"Yeah, what *are* you doing with the other 4 cylinders, anyway?"

lol aren't we all sort of on the same team by virtue of owning the same car? And by "we" I mean most all here but me, as I don't have one (yet?). I suppose if I use the HPT or Tri, that will sort of make me a tuner of amateur status. Of course, gapping plugs kind of earns the same title, right? =)

btw thx for the insight on the added air messing with the PCM's perfect AFR.

 

How did you like the SC tune? And, did you get the Trif programmer in yet and tried it?

 

Wow, I have to agree with 06black here... you are a miserable little ****. Well like I said prior if you are okay with being mediocre and slow then do what you will.

We are all on the same side... Cobalts are Cobalts. There's a group of us that give out information... some people like it some have to be whiny little bitches about because we do something different than they do.

 

Well, since this IS a Superchips vs. Trifecta thread before all the HP Tuners asswipes decided to come in and talk ****, I will give my assessment of the SCT tune.

It woke the car up. No doubt. It seems like the car wants to be in boost more often, which I am not sure I like. The stock drivability is very good, but the car wants to always be in boost. Goose the throttle a bit and BAM you are at 15lbs.

The stock boost guage reads about 21psi under full boost. It pegs a bit higher, and then settles to 20-19psi. 3rd gear lasts FOREVER, as in over 100 mph. If the car trapped at 105, I think the SC tune allows it to be done with 3 gears. I have not dynoed, nor did I get the chance to install my Hahn catted downpipe yet, but the gains are there - there is no disputing it.

The tune took me like 2 minutes to accomplish - an awesome quality of the SCT tune.

There is more torque steer going around corners, because it seems that the boost wants to come in sooner. The car is not being held back any longer.

I have the Trifecta coming sometime this week and will install and datalog next weekend. I will send the datalog to Vince and see if he can tweak it. I plan to install the Hahn DP before loading the Trifecta tune, so Vince can datalog with the part on the car.

Guys look at EVERY thread about ANY tuner and you will see the same "know it alls" posting and trying to discredit other companies, when NONE of the discreditors have companies of their own.

We call those TROLLS where I come from.

If these TROLLS have such outspoken B.S. - go form a cobaltsshptuners.com website - at least the bullshit will be kept in house with that site. Not keep rolling with others trying to ask questions about other reputable tunes, and then getting scared off by pretentious claims of "too much a/f ratio" and "other people have had issues" straight up bullshit that these HP Tuners people spew.

Am I a miserable ****? Of course not. I represent the unbiased, unaffiliated everyman that wants a nice solution for his daily-driven 2009 Cobalt SS/TC sedan.

And THAT is why I bought the Superchips tune, and BOUGHT the Trifecta tune. I bought em both to compare and try to help out the less-than-technical people who have better things to do besides sit on a computer and TROLL about the virtues of HP Tuners and their own self-driven iconoclastic views of HP Tuners.

Nuff said. Done.

 

 

Thanks for the review, good info there. The same crap goes on over at chevyhhr.net except they have whiny bitches over warrantys, crazy stalker GM UAW members that think stage 1 is the only option and Trifecta trolls trying to discredit anything other than their own tune. Personally I would never do business with a company that feels so insecure about their own product that they feel the need to bash others and to troll threads to try and sell their ****.

 

Thanks for the info. THIS is what I've been waiting for. Not people arguing that HPTuners is better. That's for a different thread. When you get the Trifecta tune installed, please post up on here what you found out. Like how long did it take, power difference, fuel economy, etc. Anything that you noticed different if any.

 

I agree 100% He is just too blind to see that we are trying to help and inform even if that is not the impression everyone gets.

 

Well on this car I haven't had anything but the trifecta tune, so I can't say anything good or bad about any of the other tunes. I have been running it for about 9k miles and I love it. I have about 50-60 passes on it and it still feels like a beast and amazes me every time. The only reason that would lead me to think that it is running rich is that my gas millage has suffered over stock when driven normal. I went from 27-28 average mpg to 24-25 average mpg. I know I need to get a monitoring device for afr but I don't have one at the moment. I haven't been on the dyno since I added the tune but my stock tune numbers of 242hp/tq are now void since I have moved 500 miles away from the dyno I used for my stock numbers. I have a dyno here in town that is pretty cheap so I might see if I can re load the stock tune and get some base numbers on this new dyno, then run the current tune and see what the difference is. I am planning on doing the new trifecta tune that Vince has and see if he can lean it out a little more for me. You can't beet the $100 upgrade for 3 different tunes at your fingertips(if I understand correctly). I am not saying you guys are wrong by any means about the trifecta cars running rich cause the signs are there in my car, but the fact that it is running so rich it kill the engine. I can see shortening the life of the cats, but why would he sell something that is going to hurt us in the long run to the point of being catastrophic. But again I don't know what my afr is and if it is an extreme case or not.

 

I've said plenty of times before that I loved my Superchips tune when I had it. Every part of driving my car made me happier than when it was stock...It really was like having a new car. As for the "always wanting to be in boost" part of it...I felt that as well for the first day or two...You just have to be more gentle on the throttle...I mean you give a turbo car more power and what do you expect, less boost? The Superchips tune increased my mpgs by about 1-2 mpgs both hwy and city and of course that was great. As you can see from my sig the Superchips tune netted me roughly a half second in the 1/4 (Yes different days blah blah blah but still at the same shitty unprepped track).

Now for a comparison...and I won't go too much in depth on it as I haven't taken this new tune to the track yet but here goes...I can guarantee I gain at least 4-5 mph in my trap speed over the Superchips tune. It pulls insanely hard up top and I'm sure most of that can be attributed to the unrestricted torque management and timing advance...it's like having a whole new car...again. I will do a full review of it once I get her to the track, though.

But to those thinking about getting the Superchips tune..you WILL NOT be disappointed..it's a marvelous tune and I'd recommend it to anyone. I can't speak for Trifecta but based on the numbers it lays down it's certainly more aggressive than the Superchips tune.

 

I watched Sherm420 dyno his trifecta tuned car with Hahn intake, DP and CB and it made 320 wrtq but a mere 248 whp. He brought it to a dyno jet with the stock airbox and it made 238 whp 330 wtrq so it was not his intake. This was on the same dyno mind you that my car made 345 whp 375 wtrq. I dunno that was my only experience with Trifecta's tune. Not a good one that is for sure.

 

Hmm...that's strange to make nearly 100 more torque than hp Like I said...Never tried it and more than likely won't unless I decide to go big turbo and they simultaneously have the necessary fueling tables unlocked...The only Canned tune I can vouch for is Superchips..and they make a great product I can assure you...the only thing I hated about Superchips had nothing to do with the product itself...but their forums site and other strange parts of their site seem to be down at least once a day...and it always happened to be when I was on..kind of comparable to getting the database error non stop on this site ha ha!

 

It was strange. His A/F was very rich like in the 10 and 11s for the majority of the pull. What is even weirder is that my car was running just as rich before it was retuned for my intake and it still managed 306 whp 342 wtrq so I dont know what was going on there.

 

Hmm...that's strange...Maybe he's got the exact opposite of a factory freak for some weird reason??
Side note...how hard was it to retune for a new intake?

 

It s somewhat time econsuming as this car takes some time to relearn after reflashing the ECM each time. This car is very sensitive as well because of the complexity of of the DI system.

 

Don't forget to mention Sherm420 also had problems with his car with the stock tune. He had a mis-fire which the dealership was not able to correct after three visits. I actually suggested he initiate the "Lemon Law" because they could not figure out the problem.

His dyno run was NOT an example to even consider. Even without the GM problems he was having, dyno numbers from two different cars are not comparable. every car/engine is different. Even two completely stock cars with stock tunes will result in different dyno results.