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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 12:46 PM
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Our Car is the perfect platform! for the best of both worlds.....
they need to start making big turbo kits for it already.

How come everyone here doesnt just go psychotuned? Steve is an awsome tuner and Id be willing to bet he can tune better than stage 1. I think hes cheaper too.
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 12:47 PM
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they need to start making big turbo kits for it already.
they have a gt28kit and a gt30 kit....
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by widowedeight
they have a gt28kit and a gt30 kit....
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 1BADSS/SC
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How come everyone here doesnt just go psychotuned? Steve is an awsome tuner and Id be willing to bet he can tune better than stage 1. I think hes cheaper too.
cause 1. some like the warrenty 2. the tune truely unlocks every part of the ecu. and you get new sensors!...... not like anyone REALLY cares bout the sensors but w/e

Originally Posted by 1BADSS/SC
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lol so you are in the same boat as me lol i want...... 35r...... and over 500 hp..... without meth... thank you army money

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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by widowedeight
cause 1. some like the warrenty 2. the tune truely unlocks every part of the ecu.
they cant tell if u tuned it. Hell they couldnt even tell I was running a 2.8" pulley on my SS/SC.

U could always do what we did, buy a second stock PCM

one for tuning, one for dealership
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 1BADSS/SC
they cant tell if u tuned it.
like hell they can't

"If a suspicious hard part failure is observed in the engine, transmission, transfer case or driveline, perform the calibration verification described to determine if a non-GM issued engine calibration is installed. Non-GM issued engine calibrations subject driveline components to stresses different from the calibrations that these components were validated to. Repairs to engine, transmission, transfer case and/or other driveline components where a non-GM engine calibration has been verified are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty.

Instructions for Confirming Calibration Verification Number (CVN):
Go to TIS2WEB
Select "Calibration Information (SPS Info)"
Enter VIN
Select "Get Cal ID"
Select "ECM Engine Control Module" or "TCM Transmission Control Module"
Select "Next"
Select "Complete History"
Print
Take the printout to the vehicle along with the Tech 2Ž
Plug in the Tech 2Ž
Go to diagnostics and build the vehicle
Select "Powertrain"
Select "Engine"
*Select "Engine Control Module" or "PCM" or "TCM"
*Select "Module ID Information" or "I/M Information System" if module ID information selection is not available.
*If "I/M information System" was selected in step 15, it may be necessary to select "Vehicle Information" in order to display the calibration information.
Compare the calibration ID and Calibration Verification Numbers (CVN) to the Calibration Verification Numbers (CVN) on the printout.
* Steps may vary by controller.

Although the part numbers will be the same for each, it's the CVN that will determine if the calibration is GM issued. If ALL of the CVN's are EXACTLY the same, the calibration is GM issued.

If the part numbers match and ANY CVN's DO NOT match the printout, it is likely that a non-GM certified calibration has been installed."
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 1BADSS/SC
they cant tell if u tuned it. Hell they couldnt even tell I was running a 2.8" pulley on my SS/SC.

U could always do what we did, buy a second stock PCM

one for tuning, one for dealership
that is what i am going to to do but until i do.................. they just started as of last year looking for the last 10 tunes on the car....... so although most dealerships probally still don't.... they can
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by krispy
like hell they can't

"If a suspicious hard part failure is observed in the engine, transmission, transfer case or driveline, perform the calibration verification described to determine if a non-GM issued engine calibration is installed. Non-GM issued engine calibrations subject driveline components to stresses different from the calibrations that these components were validated to. Repairs to engine, transmission, transfer case and/or other driveline components where a non-GM engine calibration has been verified are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty.

Instructions for Confirming Calibration Verification Number (CVN):
Go to TIS2WEB
Select "Calibration Information (SPS Info)"
Enter VIN
Select "Get Cal ID"
Select "ECM Engine Control Module" or "TCM Transmission Control Module"
Select "Next"
Select "Complete History"
Print
Take the printout to the vehicle along with the Tech 2Ž
Plug in the Tech 2Ž
Go to diagnostics and build the vehicle
Select "Powertrain"
Select "Engine"
*Select "Engine Control Module" or "PCM" or "TCM"
*Select "Module ID Information" or "I/M Information System" if module ID information selection is not available.
*If "I/M information System" was selected in step 15, it may be necessary to select "Vehicle Information" in order to display the calibration information.
Compare the calibration ID and Calibration Verification Numbers (CVN) to the Calibration Verification Numbers (CVN) on the printout.
* Steps may vary by controller.

Although the part numbers will be the same for each, it's the CVN that will determine if the calibration is GM issued. If ALL of the CVN's are EXACTLY the same, the calibration is GM issued.

If the part numbers match and ANY CVN's DO NOT match the printout, it is likely that a non-GM certified calibration has been installed."
You are correct sir...
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 1BADSS/SC
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We need to solve fueling issues up top first so we can rev higher before we can get into the powerband of anything bigger than a 30R. The stock valvetrain has been proven by BTF to handle up to 7400 RPM no problem but once we get over 6500 RPM or so the injection window is too short, so to keep A/F the injection cycle carries over to the compression stroke. That is not good for optimum combustion or your cats or plugs either.
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by krispy
like hell they can't

"If a suspicious hard part failure is observed in the engine, transmission, transfer case or driveline, perform the calibration verification described to determine if a non-GM issued engine calibration is installed. Non-GM issued engine calibrations subject driveline components to stresses different from the calibrations that these components were validated to. Repairs to engine, transmission, transfer case and/or other driveline components where a non-GM engine calibration has been verified are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty.

Instructions for Confirming Calibration Verification Number (CVN):
Go to TIS2WEB
Select "Calibration Information (SPS Info)"
Enter VIN
Select "Get Cal ID"
Select "ECM Engine Control Module" or "TCM Transmission Control Module"
Select "Next"
Select "Complete History"
Print
Take the printout to the vehicle along with the Tech 2Ž
Plug in the Tech 2Ž
Go to diagnostics and build the vehicle
Select "Powertrain"
Select "Engine"
*Select "Engine Control Module" or "PCM" or "TCM"
*Select "Module ID Information" or "I/M Information System" if module ID information selection is not available.
*If "I/M information System" was selected in step 15, it may be necessary to select "Vehicle Information" in order to display the calibration information.
Compare the calibration ID and Calibration Verification Numbers (CVN) to the Calibration Verification Numbers (CVN) on the printout.
* Steps may vary by controller.

Although the part numbers will be the same for each, it's the CVN that will determine if the calibration is GM issued. If ALL of the CVN's are EXACTLY the same, the calibration is GM issued.

If the part numbers match and ANY CVN's DO NOT match the printout, it is likely that a non-GM certified calibration has been installed."

correct, and thank a Diesel guy with a Bully Dog or Banks kit for this the next time you see him
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 02:37 PM
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hmm wonder if that dealership u talked to really knows. Cause i got diffrent info from crate engine depot.
Hi Cory,

This kit will also include a replacement cold air intake tube, I don’t have pricing as of yet and we are still looking at March for a release date.

I will post this up on the forums once the kit is released.



So i guess time will tell, i got this info 2 days ago
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by coryss08
hmm wonder if that dealership u talked to really knows. Cause i got diffrent info from crate engine depot.
Hi Cory,

This kit will also include a replacement cold air intake tube, I don’t have pricing as of yet and we are still looking at March for a release date.

I will post this up on the forums once the kit is released.



So i guess time will tell, i got this info 2 days ago
some one pleasse invent a time machine and take me to the day it comes out.... i'm tired of waiting
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by widowedeight
that is what i am going to to do but until i do.................. they just started as of last year looking for the last 10 tunes on the car....... so although most dealerships probally still don't.... they can
theyre finally cracking down on these cars? Thats gay as hell. Plenty of SS/SC's got service done running 60 lbers under warranty. Of course the dealership didnt know about the injectors, but they also didnt bother looking into it either.

anyways, good idea. 2 PCM's are better than one. Thats why I have a stock one, and an "other" PCM as well.
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 05:37 PM
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^but cant they also tell if you install a new PCM into the car
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 05:52 PM
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^but cant they also tell if you install a new PCM into the car
pretty sure they cant. I dont see how. If u buy a second PCM to tune with, and use the stocker to bring into the shop u should be OK.
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 1BADSS/SC
pretty sure they cant. I dont see how. If u buy a second PCM to tune with, and use the stocker to bring into the shop u should be OK.
Sounds good in theory but GM has found a way around that problem too. If you buy a new ECM you have to bring it to the dealer because the clutch position sensor is not programmed into the new ECM. So that wont go over too well
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Terminator2
Sounds good in theory but GM has found a way around that problem too. If you buy a new ECM you have to bring it to the dealer because the clutch position sensor is not programmed into the new ECM. So that wont go over too well
I had to do a similar thing with the stage 1 PCM. The throttle wasnt calibrated, so I had to bring it in to get it calibrated. The thing thats nice though is I ordered it through modern performance, and they plug in the VIN, but dont report it to Dodge.

He could always tell them that hes not sure whats going on with it, bring it in, and they flash the clutch thinking something is wrong with his car. Meanwhile he now has 2 functional PCM's.

or maybe he could drive it in, change out the PCM and ask for an update.
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 06:35 PM
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On-Star spillin the beans

Anyone else getting On-Star reports on their cars via email?

It appears that On-Star reports all kinds of info to Chevy without our permission or even knowledge. Info like air-to-fuel mix, etc.

As such, I'm under the impression that Chevy will know that a diff ECU has been installed and/or a new map is controlling the engine as soon as On-Star diagnostics are relayed to them via satalite (something done at least monthly).

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

If I'm correct, Chevy may not report that they have this data immediately but, instead, hold on to info until it is needed-(i.e., when you go into have an expensive repair done and they check the records on the car as a means of denying the repair under warranty).
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 06:49 PM
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onstars gay, after a year its gettin shut off in my car
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 06:55 PM
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I have an answer for you all! I talked to GMPD (General Motors Performance Division) today. There are some bugs with the tuning aspect of the upgrade for the cobalt's. They are currently finishing them up. They told me today to expect it by end of April early March. Hope this answers questions. They also told me range in price is around $650 but no guarantees.
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 06:59 PM
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sweet!!
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gdubs
I have an answer for you all! I talked to GMPD (General Motors Performance Division) today. There are some bugs with the tuning aspect of the upgrade for the cobalt's. They are currently finishing them up. They told me today to expect it by end of April early March. Hope this answers questions. They also told me range in price is around $650 but no guarantees.
WHAT?!?!?

U NEED TO TYPE LOUDER!
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 07:01 PM
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do you mean end of march/ early april

or

end of april/ early may
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 07:25 PM
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^i think he means christmas 09
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 07:41 PM
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theyre finally cracking down on these cars? Thats gay as hell. Plenty of SS/SC's got service done running 60 lbers under warranty. Of course the dealership didnt know about the injectors, but they also didnt bother looking into it either.
This is old news in a lot of parts of the world, if you take your BMW back to a dealership and they find a non-BMW flash in the DME the dealership flags the service record and no dealer can bill BMWNA for any warranty repairs on that car without preauthorization. My wife's 540i got the mark of Cain as soon as we put the Dinan DME flash and intake on it ten years ago; the reason people pay Dinan money (they set their prices to chase away the cost-sensitive buyer, e.g. $7995+installation for an admittedly very pretty and beautifully made set of headers for an E39 M5) is to get Dinan's warranty coverage (note that it's Dinan's, not BMWNA's.)

Mitsus, Scoobys, Cobras, Lightnings (oh, especially Lightnings), just about everything, if you've been playing with the ECU or the blower pulley or the wastegate or whatever, you'd fall into the "we're going to deny this until you prove you DIDN'T break it."

And it's perfectly reasonable to do so.

You build a car and you sell it and what you charge for it includes some margin to cover what you figure you're going to have to pay out in warranty repairs. If you're gonna cover the guys who scatter a $5000 (or $25000) engine all over the pavement with too much pulley or too many revs, you're gonna have to jack the price of the car by a thousand bucks.

So, from my standpoint - I have no problem with you pumping up your car, but if something breaks, get out your own wallet and don't try to drop those costs in the lap of every other buyer.

There's a line, though, between damage that can reasonably be assumed to come from modifications vs damage from hard use of what the factory gives you. The crap Nissan's pulled with the glass-jawed GT-R transmission is silly. And GM's policy in this area, from what I can tell, is very good.
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