I'm trying to set something up with them now so I can loan from them one of their setups, hopefully the midlength, to run on mine. They do make good products, and were the only ones to actually contact me with an interest in this.

 

i've always loved ZZP, regardless of what people say. they've helped me more times than any other vendor... outside of CED. love those guys too

 

I respect them just off the fact that they actually stepped forward. Nevermind all the projects they do...

 

The completed dyno runs have been posted on the first page.

 

are you sure you didnt mess somthing up with that meth issue you had? those numbers are all over

 

considering which one?

 

stock-jbp-vibrant i just dont understand, i have a C/A V2 header and when i put it on there was a increase in hp you couldnt ignore (over stock manifold). am i reading you graphs right that the jbp lost50whp conpared to stock. btw you need to test that weapon r setup.

not calling you a liar just trying to make sense of it all

not calling you a liar just trying to make sense of it all

 

I understand where you are going now. The meth is absolutely fine. The nozzle still puts out the way it should. Really there is no issue.

What many are having trouble understanding here is that when you talk about a header, most times it's the combination of header and downpipe. My stock header was mated to a 3" downpipe, not a 2.5", reason being that I just don't have a stock downpipe, and that was the setup on the car as a base tune.

The noodle header (that I received) is just a piece of ****. I didn't want to believe that it would cause me to lose so much, but if you saw it in person, you'd understand why. It has to be the worst piece of workmanship I've ever seen someone try to sell. I wasted money running it twice, trying to make sure that the numbers were the truth.

The vibrant setup explains why a downpipe is just as important as a header. The vibrant header is made to flow just as good, if not better than the stock one. With the setup, I've said many times that the header is not the problem. The dp is the issue for this one. Being at 2.5" does cause an issue where maximizing exhaust gases speed exiting out the car is slowed down. Once again, keep in mind that this is MY car and I have a combination of mods that most don't have on here.

I also said that the vibrant header has room for more timing, and wouldn't take much to match the output of the stock header/3"dp.

We are also starting to realize that different headers allow for different amounts of timing. By us running the same tune on different headers, it's causing people to think that we're trying to say the stock header is going to be best. We're thinking about going the max tune route now, so it can be seen how much more the tuned header setupu can make.

Just a thought.

 

^^^not mention he needs to understand your using a tvs and not a M62...if he doesnt know that already...flowing much more air

 

Good luck man, I have to applaud you for trying this. Not an easy task by any means to complete this project of yours.

 

I'm still looking for ways to make things as fair as possible. We are leaning to doing a max tune for the vibrant now, to see how far we can push it, and dyno early next week.

 

i thought you tuned for each. that was my fault i just didnt feel like reading 26 pages. i would like to see cust. tune for each if you can.

 

I think that's what we're going to do now. We've figured out that there are vast differences between the headers, and think that's what we'll have to do now.

 

hey death, im gonna talk to my machinist like i said and see if he has my header off of my head, if not ill run out there friday and take it off... ill send it out to ya, cuz im sure my JBP header looks NOTHING like that one. im just looking for a little bit of reassurance as are a lot of ppl that dumped that kinda money in that header. i just gotta know before i go and sell or trade mine and then later learn that i made a mistake. im gonna PM you my number, feel free to gimme a call or text.

 

I bet he is about as excited as pedobear in an old folks home about putting another JBP header on his car...

 

One look at the JBP header should tell you that it's not going to flow worth ****! Anyone who bought the JBP wasted their money unless they bought strictly for the sound. PERIOD!

 

im just doin it for peace of mind. im just as pissed as the next guy about the claimed gains and the actual results but it seems as if some headers were better than others, i just wanna see if there is any differance. i would also like to see individual tuning for each header aswell.

 

I'm going to take a shower and give you a call. I just got a haircut. Look for it in about 30 minutes

I really don't like the idea, but there's a lot of nutswingers on here backing up the jbp header saying it really puts out. StevesBlack06 is the only one that is taking a neutral position, and wants to know the truth. He's seen the pictures of mine and says his looks way better. I spoke on the phone with him a little while ago. Cool guy. We're on the same pageabout a lot of things, and he's got a good amount of work done to his as well.

Nobody bothers to think about how many times they've been asked to put up a dyno sheet on their product, and it's never happened. They go on talking about the power it makes with a dp and catback coming to 31 total, but nothing for just the header. And no proof of the numbers for the whole setup at that. If anyone wants to make the trip down to va beach and see how I do things, I welcome you to. Then you can see the hackjob that i got in the mail.

In any case, jbp has yet to confront me about things. If it was zzp that I was talking trash about, they would've been all over me about this, but Mev has yet to show or post **** about it. Way to back up your product. I can't remember how many times I heard that they would post a dyno during the whole process.

This is about the truth, and not shooting down a vendor. Also why I haven't been approached concerning bashing.

Looking in hindsight, it appears you're right. You try to give someone a chance, and buy into it, and you get fucked. Having a raw ******* just doesn't seem pleasing to me. It's part of the reason some needed projects never get off the ground.

 

well said. i really wish mike or mev over at jbp would chime in and give some insight here... it seems to me as if they are cowering in a corner some where. not to bash on them but they seem to be awful when it comes to customer service and making it right for the customer when all they have done is the wrong... i have spoken to then several times on the phone and its ALWAYS another excuse...

 

Honestly...JBP knows better to show their faces around here.

 

i bet a ca v2 header with a cti 3"dp will produce some good numbers considering that is a 3" collector it should flow nice

 

i heard that...

 

After rethinking things, we decided to see how much we could get out of the vibrant setup. So we went out today and did a pull on the tune loaded on the car right now. As before, there was a little knock at tip-in, but none in the upper end. after looking at the datalog files, we noticed that the car was adding 2 degrees to the 18 that was in the tune at the time. So we kinda looked at each other with a stupid face and said, let's add two more degrees timing and see what happens.

The changes were made, and back to the road we went. I hit it again after the temps went down from heatsoaking, and the tires broke loose briefly before mashing out. The torque steer is insane and the second gear pull was smile-inducing. After looking over that log, once again zero knock besides tip-in, and the car still added two degrees timing.

So now the car is on 22 degrees timing with the vibrant, and we still don't know where the ceiling is. But we think this approach will be better than our original plans in the end. So after we get to the dyno, and do the first run, we might just add two more degrees to see what happens, but the vibrant setup is a champ. I'm really starting to like it.

 

thats sick, and you said that header only has 1.5" primaries and your only running a 2.5" DP? correct me if im wrong...

 

Does this have something to do with what Ralli said about velocity?