An operator can go into the software and change parameters on the dyno to get it to read anything I suppose. But we didn't and have not done that, ever. I find it interesting that some people are saying we manipulated the dyno, then others are saying the gains are terrible. For one, customers are welcome to participate in the dyno'ing of their vehicle. We do not keep anything secreitive. Secondly, why would we manipulate a dyno to show a customer making 8HP on products where people may expect more? Why not just show a 220 before and a 280 after?

They dyno was honest, the customer is happy. We spent a lot of time explaining the numbers and the files. We hoped for more power but it is possible that winter gas played a factor.

I will say that you cannot compare dyno numbers from one shop to another very easily which is why we like to do before and after dynos.

 

All I know is my top end had a noticeabley different feel after my H/dp combo. If it's significant enough of a gain that you can feel it then it's a good exhaust mod. How many of you actually felt anything when you put on an intake, or just a cat-back.

The midlength is awesome. The air has almosta straight shot from the head to the dp.

And I know another member gained 2-tenths on his 1/4 from just their dp. Gotta love top end gains on a fwd car that suffers down low.

 

Did you even read my post?

I never said that you manipulated the numbers... that much is obvious. I was merely pointing out the fact that you can't really say "Those are better numbers than his"... because you can't really compare numbers from 2 different dynos.

For Example:
I made almost 280whp on a Dyna-pak in Columbus w/ Stg2 and supporting mods (A high reading dyno)...

Wicked2005SS made 280whp on a Mustang dyno in Dayton w/ TVS and supporting mods (A Very VERY Low reading dyno)...

Just comparing numbers, you'd think they were similar running cars. Until you put them on the highway @ 50mph and watch Wicked's smoke the tires off in 2nd then proceed to put 5 to 6 cars on me.

POINT BEING: You can't compare two different sets of numbers from two different dyno's. A before and after hp number and finding your curve and peak numbers are just about all dyno's are really good for.

Numbers are just that... numbers. I could take my car to 10 different dyno's... $20 says I wouldn't get the same set of numbers twice.

 

I dont think anyone was trying to say you manipulated the dyno... I think that was taken out of context... If i missed it though, they shouldnt be pay'd attention to.

 

not cool op......

 

you can change dyno numbers on a mustang very easy. wrong vehicle weight, wrong CD. you get the idea.

if the end user is happy. that is all that should matter.

 

I just farted, 8hp boost!

 

honestly...its not a giant power booster or anything... Exhaust mods allow you to free up potential power and remove possible future restrictions for when you push more power through the motor.
8hp is decent for just a header/DP...idk why you guys expect like 20hp from a downpipe and 30hp from an intake...lol

 

zzp makes big numbers when no one is looking , ahem twincharge.

 

I have zzp midlenght it's ok but if you ant got mounts be ready to buy like 50 dps keep breaking them but that's I guess is my falt got to get them mounts but othe than that nice combo

 

7.1hp from a Header/Downpipe is alright.

Now factor in the tune... what did he gain from that?

 

You're going to live to feel pretty dumb for knocking us like that. Soon we'll dyno over 500WHP and we'll do it again at a mod day or another companies dyno to shut guys like you up.

Then when we hit the track and we're running 10 mph faster than the other turbo guys our dyno will be backed by track times. I wonder what haterness you'll come up with then...

I fully agree with that. I remember like 12 years ago dynoing my car and then dynoing again a week later at another shop. I lost 10 HP and I was thinking something was wrong with my car, LOL.

 

HAHAHAHHAHA OMG HAHAHAHAHAHA 8hp is alright for a header\dp but the tune should have released a lot more. Something is def wrong and you can't always blame the gas....

 

I was the one running the dyno and tuning this car. I dialed in the a/f to ~11.9. Unfortunately for us, the tune on the car when it came in was very aggressive. It peaked at 239whp, but there was a lot of KR. Our tune mainly consisted of richening the mixture and decreasing timing. Considering this, I think it's easy to see why the gains were not higher. We all expected to be able to put a more agressive tune on the car and the final numbers were somewhat dissapointing because we just could not get more aggressive without KR issues. Because of this, we offered a free dyno tune for the customer if he wants to come back in the spring when gas stations stop running winter blends. FWIW, we always seem to have more trouble with Illinois cars in winter dyno tune sessions. This is based on dozens of Illinois customers, not just a couple. Hopefully he can come back in the spring and put down better numbers.

As far as all of the anti-ZZP crap in this thread- We are here to work with the Cobalt community to help make advancements. Why not try to be a little more mature and keep the discussions respectful? The constant mudslinging is not justified and adds no value to the discussion.

 

vendor bashing will get you banned

 

Yeah stop the bs just agree to disagree no need to eat zzp alive we are all here to learn or be taught no need to bitch slap each other on the face vender or member all just need to chill for a min. I'm just trying to keep the peace

 

So, then the car DIDN'T have the GM Stg2 tune on it when it came to you guys? That makes a lot more sense then.

 

What was the tune like prior to your tune? I am under the impression it was a stage two tune. If you want to post up just to show from a techinical aspect why a custom tune is so much better im sure it would benefit all parties

 

Probably came from that **** hole in C-Bus. I heard they make some intense tunes down there...

 

dyno numbers mean everything people, OP your car is slow now, congrats. That is what you get for ******* over a member, I know what it feels like for that to happen, I got alot of BS when I was parting **** out, and supposed to help install some parts for a local few.

And I still want to see some track times for this supposedly 480 whp twincharged car, how has it not been to the track yet??? If it doesnt trap atleast 126 then it is not as fast as everyone says.

 

Then do it already.

 

^What da douchebag said

 

Weather issues, we just can't seem to get a good 60' in the snow.

 

Besides all the rediculous bashing in this thread, it was nice to meet you. See you soon.

 

Well ill be waiting like i have been for the past year , i live in fl and even thought it doesnt snow where i am , i am pretty sure it doesnt snow all year long. And i like turbo tims car list in his sig , you guys can get 260whp out of a ion redline with a 3.1 pulley and exhaust which you own but when a customer car comes in you cant make him break 240 whp with a tune. im not bashing im not part of the linch mob its just kinda strange.