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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 01:33 PM
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Ok well i brought my car in for service today and while i was there i asked a few questions. I always go back to the same guy, his friend bought an SS and they are trying to tune it as well. He also knows a few people at the performace division.

I guess i will start with stage 3 and the tranny/half shaft problem. When i talked to him about this he knew exactly what i was talking about. Its not that they will not be releasing stage 3 it will just be out at a later date, something about the tranny programming. He got into some techniqual thing about how the PCM controls tranny fluid which is what controls how the plates come together in the tranny (i really don't know i am not that techniqual i just like to go fast lol), so he said they have to solve that problem because they were connecting to fast an ripping the tranny apart.

Bypass mods, i asked him about options, if we could use t-fittings with solinoids or some type of pressure switch. He did say it would work but told me preaty much the same problems as everyone one else has figured. He said that running stock pully with the CAI that you probably will not run into to many problem but once you go down to a smaller pully then you might have some more problems with barring wear. He recomended that if i do this mod to actually change the S/C fluid more often then 20000km. But then he also told me that he would be really suprised if the stage kits didn't have some sort of programing that would correct this.
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 01:36 PM
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Interesting information.
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JMAc88

Bypass mods, i asked him about options, if we could use t-fittings with solinoids or some type of pressure switch. He did say it would work but told me preaty much the same problems as everyone one else has figured.
this is exactly what i want to do on off valve with a tfitting to vent pressure when closed
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 03:45 PM
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S/C fluid? The coolant in the intercooler or the oil in the Supercharger? The superchargers oiling system is sealed right?
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 04:11 PM
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nice info!
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 04:16 PM
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That guy is an idiot lol. The SS is a manual not an auto and if it were an auto tranny you would want the clutches to enguage quicker. Sorry for the name calling
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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He gave me an example of how a auto tranny works because it was easier to explain. He said it was semi relievnt to a manual tranny in some complicating way (remember non-techniqual dude here lol)
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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There are a lot of inconsistences in the original post.

First we don't have an automatic transmission or a TCM to control the transmission.

Second I have yet seen any hard evidence of a GM state 3 kit, I have heard stage 2+, no stage 3. What is stage 3 going to contain?
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 05:06 PM
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Also, he said in the manual at higher ratings having the 2 smack together is not a good thing which is what i tried to state above. Apparently didn't do to good of a job lol
so he said they have to solve that problem because they were connecting to fast an ripping the tranny apart.
,-relevent to a manual tranny
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 05:52 PM
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The manual transmission in our car is not controlled or monitored by any control module e.i, PCM or TCM. There is no fluid change interval for the superchargers fluid according to GMs service information, so where did 20000km come from?
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 07:34 PM
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I'm not sure if its stated in the manual or not, but it should be changed as it is an item that causes friction and therefor wear. Like your engine you wouldn't drive without ever changing the oil.

As for the tranny as stated before i really don't know that much only stating what i was told. Guy gave me a very simple example with an auto tranny, weather the tranny has any link to the PCM i have no clue.
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 11:52 PM
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Again, as stated, our manual trannys are not controls by a PCM or TCM they are not auto's...And the oil in the s/c is sealed...Sealed as in you do not have to change it correct?
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 01:05 AM
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Im not so sure about the whole tranny deal because why would gm over build an engine and tranny to hold the perfomance package upgrades and put out something that will not work? since it is a manual the tranny will not be the problem it would most likely be the clutch. As far as the supercharger is concerned the oils inside are very well made and don't have to be changed very often. BUT like every other piece inside an engine they all need oil and if the oil gets full of metal fragments which it will, then it will need changed. How long will this be, but i will definitley protect my 4000 dollar supercharger but changing oil. Its just cheap insurance.
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 01:20 AM
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The service manual i bought says the oil in the S/C is sealed and is never to be opened for the life of the unit. Do NOT attempt to change it, it is there permanetly unless you need a rebuild which is the only time that it should be done. Gm said they are not going to come out with stage 3 due to possible failures in different parts of the system, possible halfshafts, internaly tranny parts, engine who knows, but i do know that this guy doesn't know shat from apple butter IMO.

He recomended that if i do this mod to actually change the S/C fluid more often then 20000km. But then he also told me that he would be really suprised if the stage kits didn't have some sort of programing that would correct this.
Oh and how would programming help reduce bearing wear in the S/C????
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 09:39 AM
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another fabulous example of what i posted here a couple of days ago:

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...t=12020&page=2

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the dealers know as much about the stage kits as joe bob down at the crabshack.

i believe that's how most of the rumors start around here.. people ask the dealer and of course the dealers act like they have all this top secret information to share, when in fact most of them couldn't tell you 5 features on a cobalt ss
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by selfinfliction
another fabulous example of what i posted here a couple of days ago:

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...t=12020&page=2



Yup. The more mis-information I read about the more I wish people would just wait an see whats actually gonna come out.
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 11:17 AM
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i agree with ya self and darksun

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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 04:37 PM
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Oh and how would programming help reduce bearing wear in the S/C????
i never said that the programming would reduct S/C ware. Please read the post before you do. I said doing things like the boost mod would cause the barrings to ware and also the combination of the boost mod and small pulley.
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JMAc88
i never said that the programming would reduct S/C ware. Please read the post before you do. I said doing things like the boost mod would cause the barrings to ware and also the combination of the boost mod and small pulley.

The way you worded it sounded like there would be a reprogramming that would help reduce bearing wear.
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