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you could probably build a kit for less then 1k or so it wouldnt be any of that high dallor **** but it would be a turbo kit i also think you may have to do some tunning so maybe hptuners might bring up the final cost
Originally Posted by rickyw
here is a typical setup for probably the lsj
Turbo
manifold
downpipe
dump pipe
wastgate
bov
piping of some kind i dont think we will have to use an aftermarket intercooler if we are running low boost however adding an additional intercooler such as air to air might help us over all on the heat.
Bigger injectors more then likely
and thats all i can think of.
now if i was doing this and doing a turbo setup i would just do
all the above and upgrade the fuel system
intercooler sprayer
new axels
clutch
Now one thing everyone is going to have to understand with the lsj engine is mor ethen likely we are going to have to vent the air from the bov back into the intake system i dont know how hahn or badgrl1 did it i know you can get it to vent just got to tune it right.
Turbo
manifold
downpipe
dump pipe
wastgate
bov
piping of some kind i dont think we will have to use an aftermarket intercooler if we are running low boost however adding an additional intercooler such as air to air might help us over all on the heat.
Bigger injectors more then likely
and thats all i can think of.
now if i was doing this and doing a turbo setup i would just do
all the above and upgrade the fuel system
intercooler sprayer
new axels
clutch
Now one thing everyone is going to have to understand with the lsj engine is mor ethen likely we are going to have to vent the air from the bov back into the intake system i dont know how hahn or badgrl1 did it i know you can get it to vent just got to tune it right.
Originally Posted by rickyw
you could probably build a kit for less then 1k or so it wouldnt be any of that high dallor **** but it would be a turbo kit i also think you may have to do some tunning so maybe hptuners might bring up the final cost
Originally Posted by Cobalt_Supercharged
It would also take a 3.57" pulley. Good luck getting that to fit on top with the adapter plate and hopefully you can find or have a belt longe enough to fit.
Actually if you tell it to use the M62 at 12.5 psi it says it would require a 3.63" pulley and would produce 238 hp with the 6500 max rpm and 256 with 7K.
Actually if you tell it to use the M62 at 12.5 psi it says it would require a 3.63" pulley and would produce 238 hp with the 6500 max rpm and 256 with 7K.
Where did you figure out the pulley size?
Originally Posted by rickyw
NJHK has exactly what you need to be looking at when your picking a turbo system. alot of you guys dont fully understand.
The reason I'm preaching is because I have been through this myself and I've also made a few mistakes along the way that I have learned from. I don't want people to do it the way I did it...I basically learned what this part did and that part did as I bought the part instead of fully understanding from the beginning. Because of this, I on a couple occasions bought parts twice and changed my mind alot of times.
I'm trying to help people along the way before they buy anything or do things they'll regret in the future.
Originally Posted by SLOWBALT06
but if i bought like a kit for an acura would that come close to working if i bought a new exhaust manifold that fit my car
Why would you want to do that? What's the point of buying a turbo kit and fabricating it? The piping and the way the piping routes is probably one of the most important parts of a turbo system working properly.
I'm not trying to get on you but trying to make you realize that you need to focus on doing things correctly and not trying to find some cheap way to turbocharge or some loop-hold in getting some random turbo kit to fit your car. It's not simple at all.
If you want my help, I have no problem offering advice but don't expect me to help you cheap things out or do things incorrectly.
Originally Posted by SLOWBALT06
haha well im young and i dont have TONS of cash i have some cash just not tons
Do you honestly feel that you can handle dealing with a car note, your bills (if any), and possible maintenance pop ups that can occur?
Do you care about resale value?
Do you care about your warranty?
Do you have ways of tuning correctly?
Do you have the means of having someone help you install this kit or even weld the piping for you?
Do you have the know how as to if something was to go wrong, you'd know where to look?
Do you fully understand how every part that you would buy works?
What if something happends to your motor and now your warranty is voided, do you have the money to fix this situation?
The reason I'm asking you all these questions is because you really need to think of the possibilities and be ready for the worse to happen because sometimes the worse does happen. It's not all fun and games slapping on a turbo kit and it's not as easy as some people make it seem. There is alot of thought involved and alot of trial and error involved.
I understand you're not rich and have lots of money laying around but you're messing with the performance game...you want big power, you better be able toss up the money. You buy quality parts for quality money. If you want a turbo kit that looks junky and half assed, I'm sure anyone here could help you do things incorrectly but you'd experience problem after problem.
Because you are young (I don't know how young), you need to think more of the future of things and not just about now and how you want more power or how you just want a turbo. It's the biggest problem I see with young people and even including myself when I was younger, we jump into things and don't think fully about the future and the consequences. Everyone wants a ton of power but not everyone thinks about what if this happends and what if that happends. Being 22 years old and being involved with modifying for years, I've made alot of mistakes and I've learned from them and I really would hate for yourself or someone like yourself to get way over their head and have wasted a ton of money cause you didn't think about things and you threw your money down the toilet.
Originally Posted by NJHK
Then maybe you need to re-think alot of things you really want to do to your cobalt.
Do you honestly feel that you can handle dealing with a car note, your bills (if any), and possible maintenance pop ups that can occur?
Do you care about resale value?
Do you care about your warranty?
Do you have ways of tuning correctly?
Do you have the means of having someone help you install this kit or even weld the piping for you?
Do you have the know how as to if something was to go wrong, you'd know where to look?
Do you fully understand how every part that you would buy works?
What if something happends to your motor and now your warranty is voided, do you have the money to fix this situation?
The reason I'm asking you all these questions is because you really need to think of the possibilities and be ready for the worse to happen because sometimes the worse does happen. It's not all fun and games slapping on a turbo kit and it's not as easy as some people make it seem. There is alot of thought involved and alot of trial and error involved.
I understand you're not rich and have lots of money laying around but you're messing with the performance game...you want big power, you better be able toss up the money. You buy quality parts for quality money. If you want a turbo kit that looks junky and half assed, I'm sure anyone here could help you do things incorrectly but you'd experience problem after problem.
Because you are young (I don't know how young), you need to think more of the future of things and not just about now and how you want more power or how you just want a turbo. It's the biggest problem I see with young people and even including myself when I was younger, we jump into things and don't think fully about the future and the consequences. Everyone wants a ton of power but not everyone thinks about what if this happends and what if that happends. Being 22 years old and being involved with modifying for years, I've made alot of mistakes and I've learned from them and I really would hate for yourself or someone like yourself to get way over their head and have wasted a ton of money cause you didn't think about things and you threw your money down the toilet.
Do you honestly feel that you can handle dealing with a car note, your bills (if any), and possible maintenance pop ups that can occur?
Do you care about resale value?
Do you care about your warranty?
Do you have ways of tuning correctly?
Do you have the means of having someone help you install this kit or even weld the piping for you?
Do you have the know how as to if something was to go wrong, you'd know where to look?
Do you fully understand how every part that you would buy works?
What if something happends to your motor and now your warranty is voided, do you have the money to fix this situation?
The reason I'm asking you all these questions is because you really need to think of the possibilities and be ready for the worse to happen because sometimes the worse does happen. It's not all fun and games slapping on a turbo kit and it's not as easy as some people make it seem. There is alot of thought involved and alot of trial and error involved.
I understand you're not rich and have lots of money laying around but you're messing with the performance game...you want big power, you better be able toss up the money. You buy quality parts for quality money. If you want a turbo kit that looks junky and half assed, I'm sure anyone here could help you do things incorrectly but you'd experience problem after problem.
Because you are young (I don't know how young), you need to think more of the future of things and not just about now and how you want more power or how you just want a turbo. It's the biggest problem I see with young people and even including myself when I was younger, we jump into things and don't think fully about the future and the consequences. Everyone wants a ton of power but not everyone thinks about what if this happends and what if that happends. Being 22 years old and being involved with modifying for years, I've made alot of mistakes and I've learned from them and I really would hate for yourself or someone like yourself to get way over their head and have wasted a ton of money cause you didn't think about things and you threw your money down the toilet.
yeah i totally am looking at all that stuff , i just want to be steady into the 12's there are people on the site in the high 12's with the stock blower so i know it is possible its just i know that when i get there im gonna want more and its gonna be really hard after that on that m62
Originally Posted by SLOWBALT06
yeah i totally am looking at all that stuff , i just want to be steady into the 12's there are people on the site in the high 12's with the stock blower so i know it is possible its just i know that when i get there im gonna want more and its gonna be really hard after that on that m62
So the people you see reaching these #s with an M62, talk to them, see how they are doing it, see what their problems are, see what their setups are, how they are maintaining it and how much this costed them (ballpark).
If you feel that that route is not what you want to experience, than look for other possibilities.
Doing this will keep you more aware of what you're getting into and keep you from buying parts and changing your mind afterwards.
SLOWBALT06, if you want just 12's Intense Stage 5 will be just right for you. It's easy to do, comes pretuned, and will still be fairly reliable. Just be sure axles, clutch, and wheelhop mods are performed to avoid breaking things. I would also suggest a headgasket and studs, along with Methanol Injection to cool the blower.
Originally Posted by patathSS
Where did you figure out the pulley size?
Originally Posted by 2K5SS/SC?
SLOWBALT06, if you want just 12's Intense Stage 5 will be just right for you. It's easy to do, comes pretuned, and will still be fairly reliable. Just be sure axles, clutch, and wheelhop mods are performed to avoid breaking things. I would also suggest a headgasket and studs, along with Methanol Injection to cool the blower.
Originally Posted by NJHK
I understand that but sometimes you gotta just take a step back and plan things. When you don't plan things, you go into things not fully understanding what you're doing.
So the people you see reaching these #s with an M62, talk to them, see how they are doing it, see what their problems are, see what their setups are, how they are maintaining it and how much this costed them (ballpark).
If you feel that that route is not what you want to experience, than look for other possibilities.
Doing this will keep you more aware of what you're getting into and keep you from buying parts and changing your mind afterwards.
So the people you see reaching these #s with an M62, talk to them, see how they are doing it, see what their problems are, see what their setups are, how they are maintaining it and how much this costed them (ballpark).
If you feel that that route is not what you want to experience, than look for other possibilities.
Doing this will keep you more aware of what you're getting into and keep you from buying parts and changing your mind afterwards.
i totally agree and thats exaclty what im trying to do i dont want to end up buying 42lb injectors and 60lbers i dont want to buy intense kit and then hp tuners its spending money on stuff that is already bought thats why im putting 3 or 4 grand in my car AT ONCE not step by step , thats when you run into same part problems and stuff
Originally Posted by SLOWBALT06
i totally agree and thats exaclty what im trying to do i dont want to end up buying 42lb injectors and 60lbers i dont want to buy intense kit and then hp tuners its spending money on stuff that is already bought thats why im putting 3 or 4 grand in my car AT ONCE not step by step , thats when you run into same part problems and stuff
Originally Posted by SLOWBALT06
there was a thread about what i was gonna do without swapping out the blower its titled "starting mods safest way to go" like i stated in that thread i dont want to buy a stage kit bc i dont want a mail order tune i dont believe it those tunes so im gonna buy all that stuff seperate and get the hp tuners pro its 650 plus shipping
I couldn't tell you how he started, but he now has:
-ZZP modular 2.6
-ZZP Adjustable Tensioner
-ZZP Injector Harness
-Seimens-deka 60# Injectors
-GM Stage 2 belt
-K&N CAI
-Cobra HE
-Pacesetter header
-Custom 3" catless exhaust w/ magnaflow resonator and muffler
-And finally a custom tune.
He's got a few more things to come aswell.
Originally Posted by Cobalt_Supercharged
You can always buy the indivdual pieces and pay someone to do a custom tune. That is what Blown 4-banger did. He is slowly but surely piecing together his own kit.
I couldn't tell you how he started, but he now has:
-ZZP modular 2.6
-ZZP Adjustable Tensioner
-ZZP Injector Harness
-Seimens-deka 60# Injectors
-GM Stage 2 belt
-K&N CAI
-Cobra HE
-Pacesetter header
-Custom 3" catless exhaust w/ magnaflow resonator and muffler
-And finally a custom tune.
He's got a few more things to come aswell.
I couldn't tell you how he started, but he now has:
-ZZP modular 2.6
-ZZP Adjustable Tensioner
-ZZP Injector Harness
-Seimens-deka 60# Injectors
-GM Stage 2 belt
-K&N CAI
-Cobra HE
-Pacesetter header
-Custom 3" catless exhaust w/ magnaflow resonator and muffler
-And finally a custom tune.
He's got a few more things to come aswell.
On a serious note, I went that way because you can get the same performance for a fraction of the cost. The tune is self done, I borrowed a computer with HP Tuners and did my own tune.
Originally Posted by NJHK
Yeah and that 1k turbo kit would probably lack most parts you need or quality in parts you need. Being cheap will result in bad things, that's what I'm trying to install in peoples heads (not saying you just in general).
There is alot more to it then just that write up your right. And as far as the 1k for the turbo kit It deffently wouldnt be a Fantastic turbo kit i would never go cheap on a turbo kit. however here is a link to a guy that did one on the DSM side http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181134. Again I wouldnt recommend building one because it will not be perfect parts there may be a crappy manifold you did and it burns your car down SO DONT JUST GO FOR YOUR OWN SETUP get it built perfessionally.
NJHK if you could post those links up that would be awesome i want to see it.
i wonder how much cfm this m90 is putting out
http://www.sccoa.com/multimedia/chri...se11.16run.wmv
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