yeah thats what im doing im not paying 650 for stage 2 when i can get EVERYTHING BUT the tune for around 400 gm's tune isnt worth 250 im buying hp tuners and some other stuff and yes i am modding my car like yours its better that way i like buying stuff seperate also but im not getting a header , how do you like that pacesetter ?

 

WOW I WANT TO DO THIS


Garrett T3 turbo: $100 - Ebay
2g smic: free(i got it from my friends bro)
Exhaust Manifold-
Two 1.5" diameter steel Weld el 90* elbows and two 1.5" diameter steel Weld el tee's-McMaster-Carr
420a header flange and T3 flange-http://turboflanges.com/products.html
Total Cost: $90
Crushed 1st Gen BOV: $40 - Ebay
Down pipe: 2.5" mandrel U-bend: $15 - http://catalog.exileracing.com/index...834f59f666ed51
T3 wastegate flange: $15 - Ebay
2.5" generic 2 bolt exhaust flange: $6 - http://www.turboflanges.com/exhaust.htm
Total cost: $36
6' of 2" intercooler piping: $24 - Napa
4 couplers: $15 - Home Depot plumbing section
1 rubber elbow: $6 - Home Depot plumbing section
Walbro 255 lph HP fuel pump: $106 - http://www.nolimitmotorsport.com/
Vortech 12:1 FMU: $90 - Ebay
Fuel hose/ Vaccume hose: $30 - autozone/carquest
Hose clamps of multiple sizes... many many hose clamps: $20
Autometer boost gauge: $50 - http://www.nolimitmotorsport.com/
Autometer Gauge pod: $30
FCD: $20 - 2gnt.com member
Nuts, Bolts, and Washers: About $10 - Home depot, Ace, any hardware store
Oil Line kit: $70 - Ebay(you could do it for much cheaper, ill explain later)
Parts to modify wastegate: $6 - Home depot

And the grand total is: $723!

 

again that is for an eclipse non turbo so it may be different for a cobalt also it does take alot to do you cant just paste the manifold together or the pipes together. i was just showing that it can be done.

 

1.5 is too small in my books

 

I would stick with the M90 idea. I've talked to an engine builder and he said it could be done. The M90 can fit under the hood, and it will produce LESS heat because it is more effecient as are all supers and turbos when they are larger. The larger the turbo/super= the more effecient. M90's can make 350-400whp @20psi. I mean, that's alot..and you know the wtq would be right up there with it because it's supercharged AND it's an LSJ. M90 setup would cost less than $2000 for everything including tuning and it would be the most streetable 11 sec Balt you would ever drive.

 

Slowbalt, I prewarn on the Ebay turbo, BAD IDEA! They fall apart and are not real brand turbos. It's your money, but when the impeller comes loose and goes into you engine, you'll wish you spent the extra money. Spend the $700-$1200 on a real new turbo, get yourself a better intercooler, you might want to consider reinforced couplers/elbow and t-bolt clamps or you will pop a charge pipe. The Ecotec manifold can be bought on Ebay with or without the external wastegate flange. (Guy makes them for around $165, and has great feedback on them.) You wont need the FMU or Walbro if you get the right size injectors and HPTuners to tune. Either way good luck, but I've bought shitty parts before, and they get you nowhere. You'll end up buying good parts, and spend twice as much in the end.

 

All this talk about going to turbos.....Has anyone even done it yet on the 2.0? It looks simple to do but it seems as if everyone on here is either too lazy or too poor for a turob swap. I know i'm too poor for that otherwise I would try a turbo swap.

 

who have you talked to about this ?? ive heard so many different rumors on which one wont work and which one will work , ill slap an m90 on if i know it will actually be legit and not create more heat .

 

if we can get the m90 to fit on our cars i will do that in a hearbeat and then run like a 30or somthing around there but then internals will become a question but the turbo would be nice if someone bricked a path for us but since it has to be so custom im looking elsewhere.

 

If you're talking about for my turbo write ups:

How To: Build Your Own ECOTEC Turbo Kit

The Ultimate ECOTEC Related Turbo FAQ

Enjoy. Any questions, please ask or post on that forum.

 

Dude, no offense but did you just copy and past that from somewhere?

Am I reading wrong but you want to use a 1.5" charge piping and a Side Mount Intercooler from a STOCK dsm? You want to use a T3 turbocharger that costs you $100 from ebay?
Even that website you listed for an manifold flange...they don't even make one for your motor!

Bro, it's your car but seriously, you get what you pay for. You want to spend a GRAND total of $723 for a cheap, used, shitty looking and probably more probable to problems turbo setup, fine but don't come on here upset when you run into problems.

Also, that person who listed that, he must be real cheap but have alot of friends or know a good amount about fabricating...but it's still cheap and lacks quality to the fullest.

 

It's going to take a good amount of fabrication. It's not some bolt on deal.

 

yes i took it off somewhere else its a joke i was kidding im not gonna do that im either gonna take the m62 as far as it will go and then add like a 40 shot or 30 shot or im going to get an m90 but its looking like the m62 with some nitrous

 

Alright, just checking.

 

damn this thread is all over the place its like driving in stop and go traffic

 

i have a bunch of dsm turbo stuff laying around, and acess to a pipe bender, plus im a soso welder, plus i can get access to a CNC, mill ect... i wonder if i could come up with a cheap turbo manifold... just use a 16G or a ported 14B to keep the hotside simple, hmmmm now im gonna have to think.

 

The heat is created mostly by the external compression, which is true for all roots blowers. Plus you would be pushing higher boost at a lower RPM which would bleed back past the rotors making it less efficient and more of a burden on the engine. It's a roots design so it will have the same draw backs as the M62, actually a few more since it is too large for the application, but will be able to move more air per rev. The idea should be to get away from a roots blower and to another style of FI with less draw backs/limitations.

 

Good post

 

I looked at a Better blower and this is what I found out....

I'm sorry, but we do not have a compressor size that would be suitable for your needs.
Thank you for your interest,
Shonda
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Leo
To: tech@whipplesuperchargers.com
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: Development for small engines.


I currently own 2 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged vehicles and would like to upgrade the current supercharger (a Eaton M-62 Gen V) to a Whipple, is there any chance that you will be producing a kit for our vehicles? I know of many owners that would be interested in this. If your not looking to produce a kit, what model would you recommend for my engine (2.0 liter Ecotec engine) and do you know where to purchase just a Supercharger without a kit?

Thank you for any information.

 

cobalt_supercharged has sent emails and made calls to them. having them develope anything for our cars is near impossible

 

Yeah I got a similar email from Shonda about not offering a smaller blower
Stupid whipple!

 

I guess I could just get a larger blower from Whipple and make the engine up to work with it?

 

It has been stated several times already that whipple nor kenne bell will do anything for us. Find one, will have to be used, buy it and fab it up...only choice...

 

Man, why do big companies always gotta hate on our cars?

 

Not really hating...they just don't see any demand or money out of doing this. It takes money to make money and maybe they just don't feel the money they would be putting out to research and develop something for your application is worth the money back.