I didn't sell it to him. I traded it to him. Because sometimes smaller is better.

 

heres my current set up it just not all in the car yet

- darton sleeves
- diamond pistons custom 2.15 L
- zzp 4340 Rods
- ARP head studs
- cometic head gasket
- NBS
-Precision HP6262 Billet BB
-zzp/comp cams stage 2 turbo
-Vulcan equal length turbo mani
-Hahn intake mani
-Hahn intercooler
-custom 3" downpipe
-Tial 38mm wastgate
-Tial Q BOV
-CX racing pipes custom cut and welded
-AIS meth kit with twin 5gph injectors
-AEM tru boost
-E85
-ID 1000's
-Aeromotive 340lph Pump
-fuel lab regulator
-N2MB 2 step/wot box
-welded alt set up
-Hahn 3in cat back
- NGK Iridiums 2 step colder
- AEM UEGO Wideband
- Aeroforce Interceptor
- K-Sport coilovers
- Powergrid endlinks
- ZZP Billet upper mount
- OTT Stage 2 Rotated Mounts
- TWM Short Throw Shifter
- OTT CABs
- Exedy hyper single clutch
- ZZP 78# valve springs
- working on a f23 swap also

 

I respectfully disagree

 

Meh. To oeach their own..

 

sometimes bigger isent better stonys new setup will rock pretty good

 

little more consistent. better reaction times. hand-eye > foot-eye

 

^_^
You're starting to gain my friendship back

 

Air box mod
W/k&n
Interceptor
at the moment...
In the mail.......
2.9 zzp modular setup
42's
Tune
Not much....... But better than stock

 

ive not seen a positive gain with the spacer.. since ive installed mine..over a year ago.
the material the spacer is made out of a material that absorbs and dissipate heat..well if u have a constant heat source on the spacer it has no time to dissipate it..

do a hard 1-4gear pull to redline. stop on the side of the road asap and check the temp of ur sc...i would put money on it being over 250* and 300* at the snout.

i build engines that have to maintain over 5000hp and torque for thousands of hours for a living..

 

That made no sense.... The phenolic's purpose is to reduce heat transfer between the motor and the Intake Manifold... And guess what? A phenolic is made of a material that has a much lower transfer rate than metal.... A DUR.... Thus the Intake Mani won't heat up as much/at all from the engine's 180+ degree operating temperature.

 

thanks..
Im tryin to keep ppl from wasting all the money i have...and Im sure alot of others have.
Im very willing the help any new comers

 

its not the engines heat that dose it....like i said i would bet ur sc get over 250+

its the heat from the case of the sc and the bearings in the scout.

y do u think gm didn't go smaller with the pulley on there kits.
or better yet y dont they sell a spacer with the kits...
the spacer also disrupts the air flow from the intake to the head...

 

GM didn't go smaller because our M62 is inefficient as hell...

While I can agree a gain from the Phenolic is not easily seen, it is a gain especially on a hot ass day out doing hot laps at the track. Engine temps tend to get hot and it's just extra strain on your HE cooling system that is trying to cool down the SC's temps I agree with.

You'd have to show me proof it disrupts flow enough to prove a loss of power....

 

that's y Im on e85 and spraying nos...i don't have to worrie about my iat2s...mine stay below or very close to the outside temp during back to back pulles

 

quit thinking about the engine. he's not saying sc temps as in iat2's. he means the temperature of the actual supercharger. the reason the spacer shows hardly any to no gain is exactly how he explained earlier. its meant to dissipate heat, but when it has huge amounts coming from the supercharger on one end, and the engine on the other. it has no time and no where to send that heat.

 

but with just an intake manifold on one side....like.....say.....an lsj turbo.....it's bawzsauce

 

It's like more fail on top of fail here..... Your confusing the purpose of the phenolic spacer like he is.....

Phenolic Spacer: Reduces/Eliminates Heat transfer... Thus 180-215* temps from the Engine DONT heat up the Intake Manifold.... Thus the Intake Manifold can stay cooler to better cool down the HOT Supercharger temps...

Understand?

 

Spraying nitrous to reduce iat2. **** that the cylinder temperatures go up like 200*F

 

\I am thinking for a few dollars you could buy some heat strips and put them on the head the sc the im etc and find out for yourself some real numbers on engine temperatures, instead of plucking numbers out of the air. The range of temperatures on an engine are from 1200 to 1400 degrees at the exhaust valve port, to close to ambient at the inlet air box to less than the cooling medium temperatures on the surface of the engine block and head etc etc .

In the meantime, many folks on here, swear by the good results of the phenolic spacer. Others like Mr.Belvedere and myself ( for example) say that it really hasnt worked out for us as we expected.

The inlet manifold inside charge air deliver temperature is most affected by how effectively the laminova/aftercooler works.

The new ZZP radiator is a front mount, just taller. My guess, and it is a guess, but ZZP should be able to confirm this to you , is that it is just as effective as their previous front mount.

 

u have to think nos as a power adder. nos actualy reduces heat...call me crazy...but if u have iat2s of 160+ with out nos ur cylimder temp will be hotter...if u spray nos( Im saying 50-100 shot) ur iat2s go below out side air temp...

i sprayed 150 shot for the hell of it on a dyno and the car made a **** ton of power. spun the tires and lifted the head blew the hg...on a 2.8 pulley. i dont have the dyno sheet so Im not gona post the hp it did on that pull..

 

I just would have to say when I was just on Phenolic and Dual Pass I never saw a IAT2 past 160* on long hard pulls(During Tuning) and recovery times being pretty short with that.
Idle was about 10* about ambient....

 

I am thinking that this thread is derailed pretty much. I am with Belvedere and Blazin on all this at this point in time, for whatever that is worth.

 

Your cylinder temperature will not be cooler with the nitrous than without. I ran nitrous for a long time. You are dramatically increasing cylinder pressure and temperature

 

Correct. This is why you add fuel to attempt to reduce cylinder temperature, but still your going to be adding a ton of heat and a SHAT TON of cylinder pressure with NAWS because pretty much that's how your even making more power with it...

 

right
but a engine running lower boost with nos will see lower combustion chamber temps than a engine running more boost to make the same power..

hp is made by increasing the amount of oxygen in the cylinder...wen u increase oxygen u can add fuel...
one molecule of nos carries 2 adams of oxygen..its some thing like that...ill have to refer back to my performance engine chemistry book on the exact amount...
my point is that nos brings more oxygen faster to the cylinder.
and just cuz ur boost guage reads 20 psi dosnt mean ur cylinder gets pressure issed to 20 psi...it just means there will be a lot more air getting into the cylinder..