...to correct the axle alignment when the car is sitting still.

You guys just keep missing the point that I try to make. You don't get wheel hop while your car is sitting still, so why would you modify your mounts based on the car sitting still? Trust me, it changes a lot under WOT.

I asked Tim about All4glh's setup. Tim said he custom ordered parts that we don't sell in order to piece together a twincharge kit. Since he had a Saturn and we only have Cobalt turbo intakes, Tim asked if he wanted us to custom make something for his Saturn and the customer responded that the shop working on the setup was more than capable of modifying the parts to fit correctly on the Saturn. If it didn't fit right, I don't know what else we could have done. Our Cobalt parts fit Cobalts very well.

 

:Unsubscribed:

 

semi revival, but there's been some LOLs since I've left

 

Not sure why everyone is so hell bent on correcting the geometry of the suspension when the car is sitting on the shop floor. If you want 0 degree pinion angle through a driveshaft on a drag launch, would you set 0 degrees while its up on a lift?

From what I read in this thread is ottp claims to correct axle geometry under power. Mounts are replaced with a different durometer to limit to an intended range of movement and a different engine/transaxle mounting point to change cv angle to transmit more power and prevent torsional windup. ZZP calls BS but gives no real proof on how far the CVs are out of alignment in power. OTTP/Powell follows suit, saying the information is proprietary.

I guess it comes down to which vendor you trust more.

Did I miss anything?

 

nope, about sums up the whole thread

 

ZZP quoted numbers showing their info all throughout the thread, Powell wouldn't. In fact, Matt's later posts directly echo the bolded statement you made but a response from Powell that wasn't just insulting their intelligence hasn't happened yet.

 

right good one dainslaif.

Matt says he received my drawings anonymously. what more does he need? Why would I gift him exact numbers for him to make his own? Even TTR just copied it they didnt ask for the dimensions.

ZZP are fishing. Zoomer claims the motor doesnt rotate. Oh well.

Heck Dainslaif, you wanted to do it with washers didnt you? You now have a mount I made for you. Did it work? I thought so. For sure, if it didnt you would have been flaming me for evah...

And Witt (as usual) is right. When I was first building Cobalts (note 5 built by us for racing,from the ground up, BIW, from parts and donor cars) and actually racing them before any Cobalt was for sale in the USA , we did more than just look at the cars on a hoist.

thread ends. I hope

 

As I've said all along - No. It didn't. I still hop just as much as I did on Poly mounts. Not to mention you sent me a rear mount with 2 of the bolt threads stripped out, so I couldn't even install it in the first place.

 

first i heard of that. I did not know; I sent you the rear mount ait at no charge . I woould be happy to replace it... but if it didnt work you sure did not email me about it. I could say check your install. works on my RL and all the cars i do. I wonder why not yours? interesting.

 

I doubt it was install. I loosened the bolts then rocked the engine as I'd read on other posts, but I never emailed you because I only race it once/twice a year at a track and I don't hop when I roll race, so it's not that important to me. As for the mount, I just threw my old rear with the poly back in there; it'll be stiffer that way. If you want to swap the one I have in my closet for a new one I can shoot you an email and we can figure something out.

I tested it for the sake of testing it - did it live up to the hype? Not really. Is it better than stock? Definitely. I'd put it on par with the poly mounts, but with way less vibrations/engine noise. I may try it with a solid top mount next time I go to the track to be thorough.

 

I'm extremely happy with my Stage 1 Powell mounts over my stock mounts and my poly mounts. My poly mounts didn't eliminate much wheel hop and created a lot of vibration.

I've been a ZZP customer for five years, but each has their own pros and cons. I'll take ZZP's customer service and commitment any day.

Now if we could get more group buys from them...

 

I was hoping those 13 episodes I watched weren't a waste.

 

Get over yourself. If we wanted to copy mounts, we would copy mounts. We have a CMM and several CNCs in our shop. Copying parts would require nothing more than purchasing them, mapping them, and machining new ones. Try to get it through your head that we are not trying to copy something. We are trying to get the theory behind your mounts out in the open. We are tired of fielding emails and phone calls with customers that are confused about what your mounts actually do and why. It was time that this stuff was discussed, and it was.

 

I was fishing. Fishing to see if you had ANY information or the entire discussion was bullshitting on your part. I didn't ask for specs on your mount. I wanted specs on anything. How much does the engine rotate? what angle is it? How many degrees do you think it moves or do you move it. REally it didn't matter what you posted, I just wanted to see if you had any technical information what-so-ever or if you were trying to sell a magnet that "atomizes the fuel" or an air filter that 'straightens the air molecules' or plug wires that 'remap the spark'. It's easy to throw around some words like "cures axle misalignment" and when asked for how or why just say "I'm not giving you my secrets". And that was the point I was trying to make. You have no data and cannot give any because you don't understand the subject at hand. That being the case, I still never bashed the product or said it didn't work. I merely called for a rewording of said product to provide the forums with accurate information and remove the confusion.

 

Just to chime in. When I talked to Tim and before I ordered all of these parts, I had told him that I want the same intake that you guys use on the S256ET on your twincharge kit (since that is the turbo that I'm using on my turbo swap. I never said I'm going twincharge, in fact I told him several times that I was going full turbo, no SC. On my invoice it says "Twincharged hard intake pipe $180.00", not custom intake that customer has to hack apart and make work. Then when received it had no boots, when he asked Scott at Ballistic if he wanted boots and Scott said "yes I want the boots, filter, clamps, all of that", only to receive an intake/filter with no boots or clamps. In fact, I did not order any custom parts, I ordered bits and pieces of your twincharge kit, call it what you want. It can't be custom if you've produced these "kits" and sell them on your website, and have them on several cars as is. If by "custom" he means I ordered pieces of a kit rather than the entire kit then yes it was a "custom" order.

Overall, I'm satisfied with all of the products I got, minus the intake and the boost controller that only does close and wide open (no in between, waste of $$). Although the customer service I received after my order left a lot to be desired as well.

Matt, Zooomer or Tim, if you want to discuss this further my PM box has some room.

 

yeah im not reading through this whole thing...

So I will just say this...

Just as with many other products sometimes the best setup will come from using multiple companies parts instead of just 1 company.


So with that said theres things I would hands down buy from zzp and things I would hands down buy from ottp.

Both are great companies

 

a. We don't have individual twincharge kit parts on the site. That made your order custom.

b. We don't ship Saturn twincharge kits. We never have.

c. Tim offered to have the intake modified here, but was told that was not necessary.

I have no idea what you are talking about by, "the boost controller that only does close and wide open (no in between, waste of $$)." How does a boost controller control your throttle?

 

Thank you, it made the order custom, NOT THE PART!

I understand why, now.

1. He never spoke to me or Scott about modifying anything. He was asked why he didn't ship the boots and clamps with the intake, as they are with any other intake that is purchased. I won't go into the DP situation.
2. Why should the intake even have to be modified, it uses the same manifold, turbo and engine of the car that you install them on. Should have included all the parts and been bolt on, right?

I don't think that you are that ignorant to believe that the only thing on my order form was an intake as you have obviously spoken with Tim. I bought your "Stattama" boost controller and BOV as well. BOV works great, the boost controller is another story.

Matt, my order is complete and has been for quite some time. I really don't think there is a need to air any more of the dirty laundry or spew slander back and forth between my word as a customer and Tims as an obviously valued employee. I know what was said and done on my and Scotts part. I will obviously take the word of a valued friend and you will take the word of a valued employee. So, while we sit at a stalemate we might as well agree to disagree at this point.

And, again, I ask that if you want to continue this discussion to PM me.

 

I'm not not understanding what you are talking about on the boost controller. You said it "only does close and wide open (no in between, waste of $$)." It is a variable pressure regulator which allows you to adjust your boost anywhere from the wastegate spring pressure up to 25psi more. Please explain what you mean.

 

I know Matt, it was weird. 1/4 of a turn and it went from 15psi to 25+psi. Took off the MBC, ran it off the wastegate (with 1bar) to narrow down issues and it ran 14.5-15psi. It just seemed that when we tried to adjust boost it either went closed or fully open and not partially open. I put on another MBC and have yet to have an issue. It was put in both ways (just so we couldn't say it was in backwards). I really don't know what the issue was, but it's fixed and I never bothered to talk to you guys about it. I now have your MBC sitting on my dresser, unsure what I want to do with it.

 

How is this relevant to motor/tranny mounts?

 

...so you got a defective part and decided to bash ZZP on it because you never asked for a replacement?

gg brah

 

With the "customer service" I received with my intake and DP issues, it wasn't worth it to bring it up to Tim, even if I could get through to him on the phone or e-mail, which sometimes took days. I resolved to the fact that if I brought it up to him I would be told it was a custom part and there was nothing they could or would do about it.

It's not, however my name was brought up in this thread so I felt I had the right to respond to get the story straight.

/threadjack, back to regular business. If Matt, Zooomer or Tim want to talk or keep on this subject, they have my information in there customer database or they can PM me here or RLF. I'd rather not ***** up this thread.

 

You installed the regulator on the wrong port on the wastegate. When you use a ball/spring type manual boost controller, it runs in the line going to the bottom of the gate. When you use a regulator, it goes to the top of the gate to add to the spring pressure. You still run a hose with full boost pressure to the bottom of the gate.

Hooking up a regulator on the bottom of the gate will do exactly what you said, because when it is turned down, it does not allow enough boost through to open the gate. When it's turned up, it lets enough boost through to open the gate and it will run the same as running with the gate alone.

Your boost controller is fine. Sell it, or send it back for in store credit.

It's not even defective. It was installed incorrectly.

It seems to me that you don't hold yourself responsible for any part of your build. You really need to be able to do so if you want to have a successful build without having it all done at a reliable shop.

 

This is semi off topic but a few pages back this was posted ". however at ott we have better things to do with our time like process orders, make parts, then market them." As far as the processing orders go im not so sure... Let me explain, I ordered some parts form OTTP and on Friday I got a tracking number, it is now late Tuesday night and still when I track that number UPS says that the "billing information has bee received" I called UPS and they said that means that they have not gotten the product from the vendor to ship out, thats 3 business days and still have not given UPS the parts....... PLEASE EXPLAIN

On a side note, never once have I had a shipping problem from ZZP, thanks to ZZP for awesome order process turn around...