Your grasping at straws. I suggest you guys have another morning meeting for a plan of attack becuase this is such a febble attempt it is almost comical. The mounts do the job. Ask the customers.

Thats like me saying your site says your stage 3 h/e is the only cobalt one that fills the front grill. When in reality our exchanger fills the grill too so you guys are being deceiving. Actually thats a bad example becuase that is just a lie. however at ott we have better things to do with our time like process orders, make parts, then market them.

In all honesty you guys do a great job making your parts and everything (im being serious), just drop the high and mighty attitude that only you can make a functioning product and everyone but zzp is trying to deceive you.

Good try this time but like i said the customers will speak for themselves and they have, many times over.

 

I think we need to back down the attitudes here, getting a lot of information that I like but some stuff gets a little out of hand.
btw my best success was with the ZZP billet upper and the ottp stage II mounts in my car. I got zero wheel hop and traction was much improved. what you guys need to do is come out with something for that floppy ass driver side trans mount. that thing is garbage.
but either or these are much better that stock


also on a side note, the cars I've seen with issues with the ottp mounts locally had shot upper engine mounts, swapped them out for something a bit stiffer or a new mount and the was a very large improvement. take infe for example, his upper mount was so shitty that it would flex just sitting there off the car, I swapped in my old zzp mount and the hard wheel hop was gone. I went back to a stock 09 upper (brand new) and get a bit of wheel hop now, but no where near as violent as it was on the full stock mounts.
but you still will get some minor wheel hop regardless. too many factors to overlook. Tire side wall stifness, tire pressure, road surface and power. low power at low rpm you will still get a bit of tire chatter, all I did to get rid of this was use a 2 step on my car to get a bit of boost down low to get some power going, big turbo = bit of lag down low.

anyway, just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in here. and I do have to agree with lsj on the high and mighty thing, that was what turned me off to your products as good as they were (and I'm being serious too, did a turbo kit install on a 2.4 from you guys and it was the smoothest install I've ever had to do). either or both offer great products, and ottp was the first to come out with these mounts which came directly for the person responsible for the whole gm racing stuff, attacks on qwik also really aren't warranted as this guy has a lot more experience than pretty much anyone I know with these cars and is always there to help out.

but anyway, auto swap = no more wheel hop lol

 

^^^^ this. BTW the automatic trans is in the correct position re axle shafts. The Delta was built around an automatic trans. Not the manual. If you measure an automatic you will find the truth. Thanks Paul, Dainslaif, LS1Fbody, Jimbo et al. Right on.

 

We are grasping at straws because we feel that you should provide more accurate information for your customers? You have obviously missed the point entirely. Nothing that we have posted here is in attempt to compete with you. There is an obvious problem when we have customers regularly contacting us because they have an issue with your product and you will not provide them with information that helps them understand what your product does and why. It should not be our job to research your product and inform your customers about our findings, but that is pretty much what has happened.

 

Matt you are tiresomely sanctimonius. Go fix your crappy 2 bolt flange down pipes before you preach to world about excellence, fixing other peoples work and all that bs.

 

IBTL! And btw OTTP FTW!

 

Matt,

Please don't insult my intelligence or yours. We both know what you are trying to go after here but you seem to be dancing around that subject. You are not trying to inform the community of anything, if you were and so many customers had come to you with problems, why would you sit and wait?

Feel free to pm me the names and contact information from those customers. I would be shocked if you actually sent me anything.

If you want i will send you the contact info for the two x zzp customers who were just by this week becuase of issue's with your products.

 

We do fix them. We honor warranties whenever it is reasonable to do so. It's nice to see that the only ZZP product you can find fault in is our entry- level header that is not even manufactured here. I'll take that as a positive thing.

 

i like the zzp product i got the zzp stg 3 and i love it

 

Where are they stopping by? I have had ex ott customers upset because they drive for hours out to your place only to find that there is no shop to be found and no one will answer the phone. I'm sure you wouldn't want to try to match stories there. You guys wouldn't have time to order or ship anything if you merely fielded the phone calls and emails that we do concerning other vendors. I don't think you have any idea based on some of the comments that you post.

When we call you guys out, it's not about competition. It is more to shake up the community as a whole and get some results in that regard. You don't need to take anything personally. Just realize that people will be informed, and they may hold you to a little higher standard or expect just a little more from you as a vendor. The community will benefit regardless of whether they buy from ZZP or OTT.

 

Everyone wants the truth Matt? Well here it is.....no one drives for hours without first contacting the person or company they are going to, I don't know why you have to make things up just to bring up that I run my business from home. And we do answer our phones 90% of the time, truth is we are busy and need to hire someone else. And you think we don't have calls from your customers about your parts?

As for our mounts not working, I invite any customer who has a problem to step into this thread and let us know.

 

From the very few issues i've seen on this forum from the Rotato Potatoes is incorrect install.

90% of the time, i see Qwik post his personal email address, and offer to guide them through a correct install.

Usually at that point there are 30 ppl that chime in on correct installation and the OP has an "oh shucks" moment and from that point on, they rave about the mounts.

Correct installation of the rotated mounts is above all else in their ability to function correctly.

 

Actually, customers do drive for hours and show up without notice. It happens regularly at our shop. Sometimes they come in to pick up parts. Sometimes they want to have work done. I'm not saying that it is a good idea, but it does happen often. As far as me making stuff up, you are wrong. Say what you want as far as opinions go, but don't accuse me of lying.

 

Where do you think? I guess you must not believe me. The customer came by to have his tune fixed and a meth install, the redline you swapped brakes with on your lnf.

I don't believe for one second that ever happend, any customer that comes by is by appointment only, we do not have random people stop by at anytime. As for answering the phones unless there calling before 9 or after 6 its almost always picked up unless we are on the phone with other customers.

Do you think no one calls or emails us? We just miraculously sell parts with no effort? No one ever has questions about products?

Dream on

 

Say whatever you want. It doesn't change the fact that it happened. The customer had your mounts and was upset with his experience. He drove for hours to go see you guys and he couldn't find anyone or get anyone on the phone. It's a situation that happened. No one is making anything up. Deal with it.

 

i would say for the most part anytime i see something intresting on ott site i just call sean and he will explain everything throughly. and i know it prolly irritates him cause i never shut up, but he never complains or refuses my calls....thank sean

 

This thread is about mounts and whether to buy from ZZP or OTT.

I get in and point out that customer are being misinformed by OTT because their mounts are not aligning the axles and rotating the engine as they advertise. This is quite obvious by the people responding. I never claimed they didn't work, I merely stated that they are not aligning axles by rotating anything and therefore the ZZP mounts should not be considered different in that regard.

Being called out Matt listed details including specifics from the car. What we receive in return is slams on ZZP, 'evidence' referring to how things look, different data from the manufacture and the reseller of the OTT mounts and now talks about ZZP exhaust flanges. Clearly this thread is about mounts and if someone wants to be professional or taken seriously they should be giving out information customers can learn from and use regarding transmission/engine mounts. OTT and affiliates have not. In fact they have only served to further confuse the customer.

In any other car forum people want information, data, specs and honest real information. Only here does a topic concerning off axis angularity of axles turn into talks about people's friends, doing burnouts, exhaust flanges, hours of opperation, etc. But if you don't have techinical information what do you have? BS I guess??...

 

my dicks bigger!

yea, but mines wider.

 

 

The funny part about this whole thread is that they DO rotate the transmission and engine, fixing the axle alignment issues.

I believe it's been made clear, and cannot be stated any clearer.

I just cannot figure out why that small bit of information seems to escape you.

 

I have the OTTP mounts... had them with 455whp and ya know what they work just as good as they did with 350whp..

They work great, installed great, even though the back mount was a PITA but other than that Quik even sent me a slideshow on how to install the rear mount.

I didn't ask him for all that... I just wanted him to throw me some pointers!

Josh, Sean don't worry about all this other bullshit, customers will go where they are going to go, You have a very large customer base that continues to grow with each one of our words!

So take tall this other bullshit with a grain of salt, I do!!!

 

Amazing. It's like you skip every bit of information that I post and then just make the same generic statement. "they DO rotate the transmission and engine, fixing the axle alignment issues." Really? On all Cobalts? They all need exactly the same mounts regardless of year, mods, and condition of components? How are you guys missing the point? It's so simple.

Under power, my car has near perfect axle alignment. There is no direction that anything could be moved to get better alignment. Yet there are people trying to tell me that if I buy these different mounts, it will automatically align my axles better. It doesn't make sense.

 

Ok i'll play.

All F35 5-speed equipped SS models will benefit from the use of rotated mounts. Your shop has enough experience with these cars to recognize the difference in transmission output orientation relative the the axle input at the knuckle to know it's out of alignment.

This DOES NOT apply to the automatic transmission, and there is research being done on the F23 standard transmission.

I did not skip over everything you said. I didn't mention age and condition of components because anyone thinking critically would have already taken those variables into account.

 

I suggest everyone read this thread https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...hlight=neutral

It's on balance shafts and in it zzp called out our shafts saying they weighed 5lbs each, when they weigh less than 5lbs together. On page 5 I posted the weight of our shafts with a picture and there wasn't a reply by zzp afterwards......I'm sure the same will happen this time too.

They were proven wrong then and will be proven wrong now.

 

The point is this. I know I speak for Josh and Sean when I say "Please dont buy our mounts please dont, they are no good for you. When you achieve your perfect hook at the strip, which we all agree you are very capable of doing, the mounts will not matter at all. Your trans will be in a million pieces."