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05-14-2009, 01:06 PM
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Also when one tune runs more timing that is a good indication that it will produce more whp on the dyno. Of course things can very but when I ran the two tunes on the dyno, the ottp tune made more power.
I have NOTHING against the zzp tunes however I absolutely hate and despise zzp. I prefer ottp's tunes because they make more power and I prefer ottp as a vendor because I have NEVER been mistreated from them.
Facts are what makes cobalts run slower, at least that's what zommer says.
I have NOTHING against the zzp tunes however I absolutely hate and despise zzp. I prefer ottp's tunes because they make more power and I prefer ottp as a vendor because I have NEVER been mistreated from them.
Facts are what makes cobalts run slower, at least that's what zommer says.
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05-14-2009, 01:38 PM
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Hostility? I calmly responded to a false statement. How does that come across as hostility? Zach is the one talking about absolute hate and despise.
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05-14-2009, 01:41 PM
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Yes I do hate zzp matt, but fast98 is talking about how you said it wasn't a fact that the FASTEST m62'd non nitrous'd car is running ottp's tune. You said in reply to that "You can say it, but it doesn't mean it's true." It's kinda true if it's a fact lol.
05-14-2009, 01:42 PM
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Where are you getting these numbers? I clearly see max HP numnbers of 229, 237, 238, 248, 250, and 250. The average a/f ratios are 11.6, 11.7, 11.7, 11.7, 11.7, and 11.7. The shortest interval between runs was 13 minutes with coolant temps at the start of each run within 1 degree. Everything you said in your post is incorrect.
Hostility? I calmly responded to a false statement. How does that come across as hostility? Zach is the one talking about absolute hate and despise.
Hostility? I calmly responded to a false statement. How does that come across as hostility? Zach is the one talking about absolute hate and despise.
Stu runs 12.75 on our tune, i haven't seen anyone run faster with similar mods, so where is the statment i made false? Perhaps you just weren't aware he was tuned by us.
05-14-2009, 01:54 PM
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I ran 12.75 on my OLD setup with fast98 tuning the car.
I ran 8.14 on my new meth setup on fast98's tune. thats a 12.5 quarter.
ott owns you in tuning and pretty much everything else.
I ran 8.14 on my new meth setup on fast98's tune. thats a 12.5 quarter.
ott owns you in tuning and pretty much everything else.
05-14-2009, 02:30 PM
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but you and i both have a stage something incommon to talk about heheh
THREAD JACK... continue please, I want more
THREAD JACK... continue please, I want more
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05-14-2009, 02:50 PM
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simple fact... can tunes suck, am not bashing ZZP or over the top.. i run both products on my car, but OTTP is alot closer and easy to get ahold of sorry. Will i still buy stuff from ZZP hell ya, if i can get into contact with them. other wise ill just shot over to OTTP only 45min drive for me. Am not going to say much more because i dont want Zoom and matt to find out who i am hahaha
05-14-2009, 03:16 PM
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LOL this is hilarious.
I do have access to a dyno, I may not have all the tools and a dyno in my kitchen but I have a shop who sponsors me and I have spent many hours on there dyno.
I will post the link for anyone with hptuners to download there tune, that way you guys can save yourself some money and zzp makes less
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Update, here is the link I have for one of there tunes.
http://rapidshare.com/files/232948596/zzp_tuned_pcm.hpt
Also zoomer the tune that ottp uses depending on the mods uses more timing then your tunes. So I am sorry to say mate but there tunes DO make more power then yours. Also, where have I bashed your tunes? I am not bashing them I am just saying ottp makes more power.
I do have access to a dyno, I may not have all the tools and a dyno in my kitchen but I have a shop who sponsors me and I have spent many hours on there dyno.
I will post the link for anyone with hptuners to download there tune, that way you guys can save yourself some money and zzp makes less
.Update, here is the link I have for one of there tunes.
http://rapidshare.com/files/232948596/zzp_tuned_pcm.hpt
Also zoomer the tune that ottp uses depending on the mods uses more timing then your tunes. So I am sorry to say mate but there tunes DO make more power then yours. Also, where have I bashed your tunes? I am not bashing them I am just saying ottp makes more power.
I quickly downloaded the file you claim is ZZPs that you're testing and did an HPT compare to our stage 2.
Guess what?
-Different spark correct based on AF, your file has less timing
-MAF table is different, changine all the fueling
-Flow rate on injectors vs. voltage is different changing injector constants
-Flow vs. KPA is different
-Idle table is different.
How about I post a random tune with 3 degrees of timing and claim that OTTs tune has 3 deg of timing and therefore makes less power? You see the problem people. When lies, rumors and deceit rule a forum, no one wins. The cars stay slow (as they are now) and people never learn.
Soon, cars running ZZP parts will be running nearly a second faster than others and I hope people take notice. When asked how, I'll reply "they gave up on the BS and just went to ZZP"
05-14-2009, 03:26 PM
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I didn't lie about anything, that is a ZZP tune file that came off of a car that had your kit on it. Whether or not its the stage 2 tune I do not know, but that IS a zzp tune without ANYTHING being modified. I have other zzp tunes I can upload if you want to look at those as well and let me know if any of those are the stage 2 tunes or not.
05-14-2009, 03:38 PM
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simple fact... can tunes suck, am not bashing ZZP or over the top.. i run both products on my car, but OTTP is alot closer and easy to get ahold of sorry. Will i still buy stuff from ZZP hell ya, if i can get into contact with them. other wise ill just shot over to OTTP only 45min drive for me. Am not going to say much more because i dont want Zoom and matt to find out who i am hahaha
05-14-2009, 03:51 PM
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Sorry to get in the middle of the thread but I got a quick question for matt m or zoomer. I bought your pcm about a year ago and its been running great. I'm just wondering if you have made any changes since then to make it better?
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05-14-2009, 03:55 PM
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someone answer this question then... Why doesnt ZZP have products out already that are as fast as they should be for the money we pay for them? Why because of this thread are we all like well I guess we should start making better products (not bashing on you zzp I love your gauge pilliar... im just trying to figure out why now all of a sudden?)
05-14-2009, 04:08 PM
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05-14-2009, 04:44 PM
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The truth is that you don't have our file, you haven't tested it, there has not been a single complaint about our stage 2 file and you hate ZZP. Those are all facts until proven otherwise.
Your opinion is that ZZP files make less power, even though you don't have our tune. Your opinion is that a 2.8" pulley with not mods will make more HP than a 3.0" with more timing and other variables staying the same. I have a dyno chart showing otherwise but you have your OPINION.
You haven't mentioned AF ratio, running leaner with less boost, timing changes with pulley size or anything that would lead me to believe you know what you're talking about. Therefore I suggest anyone reading to dismiss you as a hater talking trash.
ZZP will not have any competition from anyone currently in this market (as far as racing goes). There just aren't any serious players. We built an 8 sec FWD car in a market where we developed all the parts. We installed a turbo kit on a 2.4 Cobalt and ran like a second faster than anyone within 2 weeks. This is no effort. Get it? No weight reduction, stock tires, a driver with no Cobalt launching experience, etc. If ZZP is laying the smack down like this without even trying, do you really think it's going to be tough to beat the high 12 sec cars? Everybody should be running 12's by now in this market with people talking about 11's and the serious guys talking about 9s or 10s. But instead there's a forum where people spread and thrive on incorrect information and everyone is running 13's. It's really kind of sad.
I would hope OTT could put a TVS car in the 11's considered it's been compared to our twin charged setup which should be running 10's on someone's car by years end. But I still doubt we'll see 11 sec blower cars from OTT this year, even with a TVS. ZZP on the other hand will not only put a car in the 11's, not only will we do it with only an M62, but we'll make it look EASY. And that will display the caliber of company we are.
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05-14-2009, 04:50 PM
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It is a fact that I have zzp tunes, but you're right I don't KNOW for sure if there stage 2 tune files or not. I will go through and see if any of them are different. It is a fact that I have ran 2 of your tunes on the dyno and they both produced lower numbers then the ottp tune.
The FACTS are that the ottp tune makes MORE power then the tune of yours that I ran on the dyno. It's a fact that a 2.8 will produce more power then a 3.0, especially if you have cooling mods. Also, just because I haven't posted everything doesn't mean I know nothing. I will post logs and a video showing your stage 2 tune file against the ottp tune and prove which one makes more power if you would like to present me with the file. If not I will look through and see if I have it. I may not, but I am sure I can find someone with it and grab it from them.
The FACTS are that the ottp tune makes MORE power then the tune of yours that I ran on the dyno. It's a fact that a 2.8 will produce more power then a 3.0, especially if you have cooling mods. Also, just because I haven't posted everything doesn't mean I know nothing. I will post logs and a video showing your stage 2 tune file against the ottp tune and prove which one makes more power if you would like to present me with the file. If not I will look through and see if I have it. I may not, but I am sure I can find someone with it and grab it from them.
