copson20

ARE YOU STUPID!!! THOSE ARE STAGE 2 CAMS I DON'T GIVE A F$&^ WHAT TTR SAY'S
http://www.gravanatuning.com/262/2/1...Coupe_2.2.html
http://www.compcams.com/technical/ca...12-117_226.pdf

LOOK TO WEB SITE ONE OF WITCH IS COMP CAMS WEB SITE IT THINK A COMPANY SELLING THERE OWN PRODUCT KNOWS WHAT THE F*&@ THERE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU DO KNOW THAT THERE IS MORE THAN ONE COMPANY THAT TTR

burzumaske20

This is what Gravana tuning said for both stages as for application related:
Stage 1-Hydraulic Roller for Turbo Applications, wide power range, good power with few modifications.

Stage 2-Hydraulic Roller for Street Applications, wide power range, strong torque, works best with programmer or custom computer programming.

copson20

Thank You Someone That Is On My Side

burzumaske20

I am not trying to go against both of you guys or anything like that,but I am sure Gravana tuning has tested them on the cobalts,also if they didn't why would they list what the applications are good for on stages.Most will say well its because they want you to believe its that number or it does that.Like me I am sure the K&N air intake I have is getting 6.6hp because when I opened up the box it had on the paper,if they don't guarantee that hp they list on their site,I have every right to return the air intake system.Most argue with me saying well they doctor their **** up with other mods.I stop argueing with people on stuff like that,wasting my time to get it through thick skulls.

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

"HYDRAULIC ROLLER-Street/strip applications, Hyd. Hyd. 3000 to 7500 113300 XE258HR-11 258 262 216 218 .440 .436 111°
requires programmer or computer modifications"

i must be ******* stupid cause that's pulled from the comp cam site and it's the stage 2 cam description. learn to read buddy.

stop reading from the top down on the site. cause i highly doubt they consider turbo cams to be stage 1. are you serious dude, please learn to read.


YOU FAIL!

burzumaske20

I know how to read also heres something I have learn from a person who did a full engine build including stage 1 cams,also may I add he has a 2.2 cobalt.I asked him why didn't he use stage 2 cams for his turbo kit and he said if he would of gone with stage 2 with the turbo kit, but they wouldn't run properly together. So he went with stage 1 instead,obviously if the Stage 2 were meant to be turbo cams, they would of had it listed for that instead,thats why stage 1 is listed as turbo cams.

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

and seems gravana's site listed them the same as you're reading and that's a fail too, so all in all i don't mind.

not you i was talking to copson....sorry dude.

burzumaske20

its ok I am not mad about it at all

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

looked over that comp cam pdf a few times and they don't even remotely call their listing stages. if it's there can someone point it out. i see the cams listed by application as in where the power starts not by stages as in street stages and turbo and blower. so am i really wrong? i think not.

burzumaske20

well from the pdf file and gravana site,pdf file does not have it listed as stages but gravana has them listed as stage 1,2,ect

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

and they also have the steel cores listed as seperate stages. how is that possible when they are the same grind already listed but with a different core. they produce the same effect yet they classify as thier own stages? i don't think so, they are just a stronger cam.

check the grind numbers. that's some pretty fugly staging.

burzumaske20

3 of them as listed stage 4,kind of strange.

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

doesn't seem so stupid anymore, huh?

zetterbergfan1

is the video of your supposed to sound like that?? i realize its before the tune

pacific cobalt

Good Video clips
I don't think my stage 1 cams are going to lobe as much so it won't sound as good as a stage 2 Cams.
I will have to make a vid of my car idling, and then another in 1st, 2nd Gear just to compare

burzumaske20

that is what new cams like those will do to your car,v8 with new cams like that will sound even better.

TurboTechRacing

iTrader: (24)

COMP CAM does not state them in stages, so really NO ONE is right on this. It is just how we state them:

They offer the following grinds per the exact PDF file link above:

Turbo
Blower

Then they offer 3 grinds ment/designed for normally aspirated, but you CAN use them on a turbo or blower setup if you wish. Going from the least aggressive would be part number 113200, this would be a stage 1 to us, next stage 2 would be part number 113300, and following the MOST aggressive for normally aspirated is part number 113400 which to us is a stage 3.

So with this stated:

He is 100% correct, they are the stage 1 normally aspirated, why would they be a stage 2? The turbo and blower grinds are NOT rated as a "stage" but a cam style.

Just because they are in that "order" on the PDF does not mean it goes stage 1-5....

Area47

comp doesn't list them in stages. no cam they sell is listed in stages.

people who sell them do this.

street
blower
turbo

copson20

No that is what they sound like with tune. But on start up the car needs to be adjusted still.

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

forget that post........................i was a bit quick on the draw.

TurboTechRacing

iTrader: (24)

Exactly, we just "classify" them as stages to help customers decide a little better how to "gauge" what each cams does, and what they will be most benificial for them

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

so it seems we've got two grinds going here. looks like the 2.2 owners have lucked out and we get to see what the differences are. again i say thank you guys for being among the first cobalts to make the jump.

copson20

Okay so as Massivematt and I have just found out me and him have Completely different types of cams
Technically i have TTR's Stage 1 and Massivematt has TTR's stage 2

my Part # is 113200
Massivematt's Part # is 113300

TurboTechRacing

iTrader: (24)

Yeah, and thanks for PM'ing us and figuring this all out...

Spanky's Monkey

iTrader: (6)

so can we, like, start over?

hi my name is spanky and i'm an ass and i still want to see some damned dyno numbers cause i want the ttr stage 1 cams.