Tom's Build :D
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: 07-27-07
Posts: 17,332
Likes: 1
From: Puyallup, WA
actually..no, and there is no such thing as ricer math lol. and im not limiting my speed on my car..so im not "stuck anywhere" do to speed...your one ignorant and egotistical sob arent you lol
and yes it would ride out at 87, but if i could have gotten to 4th gear, i would have increased speed and lowered et...so a faster speed and lower et..hmm...that contradicts EVERYTHING youve been preaching here
and btw..how do your 60's have nothing to do with it??? your arguing that lower 60s mean lower speeds...lower 60s means i hooked quicker and started accelerating instead of spinning sooner...which means i have more time to build speed.....
where the **** have you been reading up?? the "im drunk and trying to figure out the meaning of life" thread??
but as i said...there is no correlation
if you look at the official list on here, it goes both ways, there are guys with higher 60' higher speeds, guys with lower 60' higher speeds...etc...there is NO consistant data from ANYONE either way
the only thing we ALL know for sure is....as long as you dont **** up the rest of your run, a lower 60' will mean a lower et....
and yes it would ride out at 87, but if i could have gotten to 4th gear, i would have increased speed and lowered et...so a faster speed and lower et..hmm...that contradicts EVERYTHING youve been preaching here
and btw..how do your 60's have nothing to do with it??? your arguing that lower 60s mean lower speeds...lower 60s means i hooked quicker and started accelerating instead of spinning sooner...which means i have more time to build speed.....
where the **** have you been reading up?? the "im drunk and trying to figure out the meaning of life" thread??
but as i said...there is no correlation
if you look at the official list on here, it goes both ways, there are guys with higher 60' higher speeds, guys with lower 60' higher speeds...etc...there is NO consistant data from ANYONE either way
the only thing we ALL know for sure is....as long as you dont **** up the rest of your run, a lower 60' will mean a lower et....
Last edited by NWAE Cobalt; May 19, 2009 at 12:44 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
actually..no, and there is no such thing as ricer math lol. and im not limiting my speed on my car..so im not "stuck anywhere" do to speed...your one ignorant and egotistical sob arent you lol
and yes it would ride out at 87, but if i could have gotten to 4th gear, i would have increased speed and lowered et...so a faster speed and lower et..hmm...that contradicts EVERYTHING youve been preaching here
and btw..how do your 60's have nothing to do with it??? your arguing that lower 60s mean lower speeds...lower 60s means i hooked quicker and started accelerating instead of spinning sooner...which means i have more time to build speed.....
where the **** have you been reading up?? the "im drunk and trying to figure out the meaning of life" thread??
and yes it would ride out at 87, but if i could have gotten to 4th gear, i would have increased speed and lowered et...so a faster speed and lower et..hmm...that contradicts EVERYTHING youve been preaching here
and btw..how do your 60's have nothing to do with it??? your arguing that lower 60s mean lower speeds...lower 60s means i hooked quicker and started accelerating instead of spinning sooner...which means i have more time to build speed.....
where the **** have you been reading up?? the "im drunk and trying to figure out the meaning of life" thread??
if you get STUCK IN 3rd YOU LIMITED THE SPEED DOWN THE TRACK.. jesus crisht.. and no.. it doesn't contradict me .. you're wrong..
my actual driving skills have nothing to do with the reality of the situation.. think about it .. if you're spinning THEN hook... your tires are spinning at oh say 30 mph so when you hook your going from 30 mph on... like you said .... more time to build speed.. if you're at 30 before you should be because your spinning (which you will be because your spinning so your tires will be moving at that speed even if your car isn't ... ) you're going to have covered less distance down the track so you'll be going from 30+ instead of what probably should be 20+
so yes you'll have a higher trap because your tires were going faster thus your car winds up going faster after gettin traction ..
SPINNING YOUR TIRES means your tires (which is what makes your car move) will be moving faster earlier..
think about it long and hard before you post again please.. you act like i'm the only person thats going against you about 3 other people have said i'm right yet you insist i have no idea what i'm talking about ..
i wasn't being a dick in the beginning but the fact that you're acting like a dick about it when it's a fact ... i've stopped caring and i'd rather have you actually understand wtf you're talking about then like me as a member
i never said a faster trap wouldn't net a lower et... i said if you're spinning (thus higher 60')you'll get a lower et with a higher trap... which YOU WILL
and a lower 60's and higher speeds means there car has more power...
and i'm fully aware at this point tha even if you actually realize i'm right at this point you probably wont admit it.. so i'm out ... good luck with the rest of your build... it's a shame you're so close minded about things
Last edited by elecblue06; May 19, 2009 at 01:05 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: 07-27-07
Posts: 17,332
Likes: 1
From: Puyallup, WA
lower 60s FOR THE SAME CAR means a lower et...like i said, if i go down the track and get a shitty 60' then go down again and get a lower 60' then before...as long as i dont **** up the rest of the run, my et WILL be lower...simple knowledge..if you dont get that then hand in your keys you dont deserve to drive
and hooking doesnt always mean you finally found that your car miraculously sped up to 30mph to meet the tires....sometimes it means the driver got some brains and let off the throttle a touch, brought the speed of the tires DOWN to what the car is approx doing and then once hooked (and has regained static friction instead of kinetic friciton) he accelerates...his 60' will be shitty, and because he is already past the 60' mark we know how far down the track he hooked...past 60'...and his et will be shitty and his trap will be SLOWER...unless you are going under the idiotic assumption that he is spinning the whole way and then looks at his speedo and says "oh look at me...11entybillion miles an hour..cool"
go look at the 1/4 mile list and you too will finally come out of your cave and see that it they dont correlate...what WOULD correlate is the SPEED at the 60' mark...but we dont get that
and im not closed minded about things..but i DO understand simple physics...
if your car gets to 30 mph SOONER then it should as you say then you are going faster and therefor will get the the track quicker
what i am saying is there is no way to tell EITHER WAY
it is about SOOOOOO much more then saying 60' will tell you your speed at trap...NO
if they spin the rest of the track and dont hook till lets say the CAR. (tire speed means ****...its about the car speed...only thing we car about tires at this point is spinning or not...at all) is going 60mph and they are at the 1/8 mile..then they will have shitty everything...they could also have a high 60', hook up, and tare down the track and get a great 1/4 time..there are SO many more variables then what needs to be looked at...
closed mindedness is thinking that you can calculate the trap by looking at the 60' (more or less)...
im saying you have to look at the run as a whole, shift points, power band, where did they hook, 60' time, 1/8mile time and mph, overall trap speed and time....all of it is going to go together and make the 1/4 time...any ONE thing changed will change everyting AFTER it...such as when you see a pro go down the track to attempt a license pass...they let off at the 1/8... they get an awsome 60'. still pass the 1/4 at a high speed and get a lower et...because they have everything diff then another car...all cars will react diff to these things...such as my car with a later powerband will have a diff 60' to 1/4 time and trap speed then an 2.4 non cammed with the same hp, tires...everything....
end of argument...
and hooking doesnt always mean you finally found that your car miraculously sped up to 30mph to meet the tires....sometimes it means the driver got some brains and let off the throttle a touch, brought the speed of the tires DOWN to what the car is approx doing and then once hooked (and has regained static friction instead of kinetic friciton) he accelerates...his 60' will be shitty, and because he is already past the 60' mark we know how far down the track he hooked...past 60'...and his et will be shitty and his trap will be SLOWER...unless you are going under the idiotic assumption that he is spinning the whole way and then looks at his speedo and says "oh look at me...11entybillion miles an hour..cool"
go look at the 1/4 mile list and you too will finally come out of your cave and see that it they dont correlate...what WOULD correlate is the SPEED at the 60' mark...but we dont get that
and im not closed minded about things..but i DO understand simple physics...
if your car gets to 30 mph SOONER then it should as you say then you are going faster and therefor will get the the track quicker
what i am saying is there is no way to tell EITHER WAY
it is about SOOOOOO much more then saying 60' will tell you your speed at trap...NO
if they spin the rest of the track and dont hook till lets say the CAR. (tire speed means ****...its about the car speed...only thing we car about tires at this point is spinning or not...at all) is going 60mph and they are at the 1/8 mile..then they will have shitty everything...they could also have a high 60', hook up, and tare down the track and get a great 1/4 time..there are SO many more variables then what needs to be looked at...
closed mindedness is thinking that you can calculate the trap by looking at the 60' (more or less)...
im saying you have to look at the run as a whole, shift points, power band, where did they hook, 60' time, 1/8mile time and mph, overall trap speed and time....all of it is going to go together and make the 1/4 time...any ONE thing changed will change everyting AFTER it...such as when you see a pro go down the track to attempt a license pass...they let off at the 1/8... they get an awsome 60'. still pass the 1/4 at a high speed and get a lower et...because they have everything diff then another car...all cars will react diff to these things...such as my car with a later powerband will have a diff 60' to 1/4 time and trap speed then an 2.4 non cammed with the same hp, tires...everything....
end of argument...
Last edited by NWAE Cobalt; May 19, 2009 at 01:29 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
lower 60s FOR THE SAME CAR means a lower et...like i said, if i go down the track and get a shitty 60' then go down again and get a lower 60' then before...as long as i dont **** up the rest of the run, my et WILL be lower...simple knowledge..if you dont get that then hand in your keys you dont deserve to drive
and hooking doesnt always mean you finally found that your car miraculously sped up to 30mph to meet the tires....sometimes it means the driver got some brains and let off the throttle a touch, brought the speed of the tires DOWN to what the car is approx doing and then once hooked (and has regained static friction instead of kinetic friciton) he accelerates...his 60' will be shitty, and because he is already past the 60' mark we know how far down the track he hooked...past 60'...and his et will be shitty and his trap will be SLOWER...unless you are going under the idiotic assumption that he is spinning the whole way and then looks at his speedo and says "oh look at me...11entybillion miles an hour..cool"
go look at the 1/4 mile list and you too will finally come out of your cave and see that it they dont correlate...what WOULD correlate is the SPEED at the 60' mark...but we dont get that
and hooking doesnt always mean you finally found that your car miraculously sped up to 30mph to meet the tires....sometimes it means the driver got some brains and let off the throttle a touch, brought the speed of the tires DOWN to what the car is approx doing and then once hooked (and has regained static friction instead of kinetic friciton) he accelerates...his 60' will be shitty, and because he is already past the 60' mark we know how far down the track he hooked...past 60'...and his et will be shitty and his trap will be SLOWER...unless you are going under the idiotic assumption that he is spinning the whole way and then looks at his speedo and says "oh look at me...11entybillion miles an hour..cool"
go look at the 1/4 mile list and you too will finally come out of your cave and see that it they dont correlate...what WOULD correlate is the SPEED at the 60' mark...but we dont get that
LOLOL you're hopeless.. ... seriously man..
yes lower 60's will mean a lower et i've never debated that lol .. and no if you get traction it means the tires have been able to hold the rotational speed of the tire.. whether you let off or not... spinning means you're not moving as far ... and i have looked at the 1/4 mile list.. and have had real world experience then you have ... ask someone that knows what their talking about.. ask vince.. you'll be shocked at the answer he gives you ..
you're construing my statements in an attempt to make me look wrong... and as had as you're trying your still phailing
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: 07-27-07
Posts: 17,332
Likes: 1
From: Puyallup, WA
no...no im not lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by NWAE Cobalt
the only thing we ALL know for sure is....as long as you dont **** up the rest of your run, a lower 60' will mean a lower et....
you:
still wrong ..
there is no misunderstanding that
like i said...im not arguing that on some runs you may be right...but there are so many other variables that this isnt a black and white answer....you are wrong becuase you are saying that on every run it will happen...not the case...on every run other things affect what happens....no two runs are the same
Quote:
Originally Posted by NWAE Cobalt
the only thing we ALL know for sure is....as long as you dont **** up the rest of your run, a lower 60' will mean a lower et....
you:
still wrong ..
there is no misunderstanding that
like i said...im not arguing that on some runs you may be right...but there are so many other variables that this isnt a black and white answer....you are wrong becuase you are saying that on every run it will happen...not the case...on every run other things affect what happens....no two runs are the same
no...no im not lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by NWAE Cobalt
the only thing we ALL know for sure is....as long as you dont **** up the rest of your run, a lower 60' will mean a lower et....
you:
still wrong ..
there is no misunderstanding that
like i said...im not arguing that on some runs you may be right...but there are so many other variables that this isnt a black and white answer....you are wrong becuase you are saying that on every run it will happen...not the case...on every run other things affect what happens....no two runs are the same
Quote:
Originally Posted by NWAE Cobalt
the only thing we ALL know for sure is....as long as you dont **** up the rest of your run, a lower 60' will mean a lower et....
you:
still wrong ..
there is no misunderstanding that
like i said...im not arguing that on some runs you may be right...but there are so many other variables that this isnt a black and white answer....you are wrong becuase you are saying that on every run it will happen...not the case...on every run other things affect what happens....no two runs are the same
oops my bad i missread that comment.. that i quoted my bad... and while no two runs are the same.. a higher 60' should result in a higher trap... obviously it depends on how the rest of your run goes.. but regardless of how the rest is run .. a higher 60' (due to spinning) will result in a higher trap.. assuming the car is run ballz out with no mis shifts or any anomalies
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: 07-27-07
Posts: 17,332
Likes: 1
From: Puyallup, WA
if we are talking about racing in a sciense lab then i can admit that im wrong...but im arguing on the real world basis that on a drag strip everything will change from where in the 60' or after you hook to everything...
Senior Member
Joined: 11-07-07
Posts: 1,012
Likes: 0
From: SL,UT
Spinning off the line will NOT net higher traps.. end of story.. A good launch with minimal spin will net the highest trap as well as the lowest ET. YOu only have so much room to accelerate in a 1/4 mile so the sooner you can get traction and still be in your power band Is the best for E/T's and traps.. Start a thread in the drag racing section if you want to further discuss this..
Fact of the matter is, you are wrong.. It is simple physics..
Sorry I didn't end up posting my other slips. On these time slips On the first 2 launches I did pretty well and only spun slightly.. On the last slip, I spun like I was on an ice skating rink. I then LET OFF to regain traction and and proceed my way down the track. I did not let off at the end.. Those were other time slips.
Spinning off the line will NOT net higher traps.. end of story.. A good launch with minimal spin will net the highest trap as well as the lowest ET. YOu only have so much room to accelerate in a 1/4 mile so the sooner you can get traction and still be in your power band Is the best for E/T's and traps.. Start a thread in the drag racing section if you want to further discuss this..
Fact of the matter is, you are wrong.. It is simple physics..
Spinning off the line will NOT net higher traps.. end of story.. A good launch with minimal spin will net the highest trap as well as the lowest ET. YOu only have so much room to accelerate in a 1/4 mile so the sooner you can get traction and still be in your power band Is the best for E/T's and traps.. Start a thread in the drag racing section if you want to further discuss this..
Fact of the matter is, you are wrong.. It is simple physics..
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: 07-27-07
Posts: 17,332
Likes: 1
From: Puyallup, WA
i just didnt want to argue anymore...but since you bring it up obz :P
thats exact set of slips is what ive been trying to explain/....
obz...thank you for being my words :P
thats exact set of slips is what ive been trying to explain/....
obz...thank you for being my words :P
like i said before you have 1 person siding with you... and thats the ONLY person you choose to pay attention to
Last edited by elecblue06; May 19, 2009 at 02:12 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: 07-27-07
Posts: 17,332
Likes: 1
From: Puyallup, WA
im in the other thread...and it looks like there is ANOTHER person with REAL numbers to back me up lol, you can have the whole site say ya that makes sense...but none so far have shown your right with numbers...
Junior Member
Joined: 04-18-07
Posts: 431
Likes: 0
From: Apache Junction, AZ
So that is all what it takes to equal a 2.4 SS?
Ah man... I was really hoping to get a header, full exhaust and intake to be equal.
Looks like tuning, a cam and more is needed.
I think that what you are doing to your 2.2 is awesome, and I wish I had the cash to do mine up.
The wife's car, a Sunfire 03, has the 4-2-1 header, 2.25 cat, muffler and so on, plus an AEM CAI. It also has a front and rear strut brace and stainless brake lines. I might get cams and a tune, but that is in the future. It has been an ongoing process of mods when I can afford them.
I had a supercharger kit, then I got in $2k in bills that forced me to sell it.
(sucks)
Anyways, good job!
Ah man... I was really hoping to get a header, full exhaust and intake to be equal.
Looks like tuning, a cam and more is needed.
I think that what you are doing to your 2.2 is awesome, and I wish I had the cash to do mine up.
The wife's car, a Sunfire 03, has the 4-2-1 header, 2.25 cat, muffler and so on, plus an AEM CAI. It also has a front and rear strut brace and stainless brake lines. I might get cams and a tune, but that is in the future. It has been an ongoing process of mods when I can afford them.
I had a supercharger kit, then I got in $2k in bills that forced me to sell it.
(sucks)
Anyways, good job!
Senior Member
Joined: 11-07-07
Posts: 1,012
Likes: 0
From: SL,UT
With full exhaust and an intake you WILL be faster than a stock 2.4
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: 07-27-07
Posts: 17,332
Likes: 1
From: Puyallup, WA
time for an update...y...beacuse i can
im lookinga t picking up some 225/45/16 nitto 555r tires for drag radials and run them on these:
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Wheel...ber=AR15I22BML
i picked up some footballs last night and am going to install them in stock fe1 springs to get me back end up (more weight to front) and keep it there during the launch....then i need to get some practice and some good launches and ill be running 1/4s like a mad man
btw...you should all vote for me COTM...link is in my sig
im lookinga t picking up some 225/45/16 nitto 555r tires for drag radials and run them on these:
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Wheel...ber=AR15I22BML
i picked up some footballs last night and am going to install them in stock fe1 springs to get me back end up (more weight to front) and keep it there during the launch....then i need to get some practice and some good launches and ill be running 1/4s like a mad man
btw...you should all vote for me COTM...link is in my sig
Senior Member
Joined: 09-09-07
Posts: 1,377
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver, WA
yea those nitto's will get the job done.
i wish you'd just buy kdw's for your daily driving. for the price....and performance the tires give you on a daily driving experience..... and a puddle in the middle of a corner won't leave you wondering if you'll hydroplane. the kdw's eat the **** up lol.
i wish you'd just buy kdw's for your daily driving. for the price....and performance the tires give you on a daily driving experience..... and a puddle in the middle of a corner won't leave you wondering if you'll hydroplane. the kdw's eat the **** up lol.
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: 07-27-07
Posts: 17,332
Likes: 1
From: Puyallup, WA
yea those nitto's will get the job done.
i wish you'd just buy kdw's for your daily driving. for the price....and performance the tires give you on a daily driving experience..... and a puddle in the middle of a corner won't leave you wondering if you'll hydroplane. the kdw's eat the **** up lol.
i wish you'd just buy kdw's for your daily driving. for the price....and performance the tires give you on a daily driving experience..... and a puddle in the middle of a corner won't leave you wondering if you'll hydroplane. the kdw's eat the **** up lol.
these nittos will be my track tires only
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: 07-27-07
Posts: 17,332
Likes: 1
From: Puyallup, WA