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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 11:57 AM
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I'm pretty happy with my 2.4, and I drove the 2.0 before I bought my 2.4 . I saved $3500 over the 2.0...but then I put another 2,000 into it. Not done yet, I'll be pushing 275whp by the end of the year only $1,000 to go.
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 12:02 PM
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What cast instead of forged rods? PFT! The 2.4 stock rods can handle 400 hp so I don't see a problem with the internals. Any more then that and seriously your begging to have to re-build the engine every year anyway. Now true the 2.4 does have higher compression......and?

As for the transmission being weaker I have yet to hear of ANY 2.4 transmissions failing due to too hp. Now lets compair that to haw many 2.0 manuals die from roasted clutches or the synchros blowing out on on them. It would seem both your points are moot.

As I said before ALL levels of Cobalts are nice cars in thier own rights, why do some of you insist upon pitting one trim level against another?
I'm doing it because people bring it up. Beck's tranny has went and he's only pushing 2xx whp. My friend has blown 2 sets of 1-2 syncros and a 2nd gear in his 2.4 transmission with just has bolt ons. Yeah, real great transmissions.
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 12:04 PM
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I'm doing it because people bring it up. Beck's tranny has went and he's only pushing 2xx whp. My friend has blown 2 sets of 1-2 syncros and a 2nd gear in his 2.4 transmission with just has bolt ons. Yeah, real great transmissions.
Juuuuuust like those found in the 2.0 cars. Seriously both blow up.
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 12:05 PM
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I'm thinking there is a direct correlation between the supercharger and those tranny's blowing...maybe since the blower is putting the power through right when the clutch is engaging, while the turbo's are waiting until the clutch is fully engaged, due to turbo lag? just a thought...
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 12:09 PM
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I'm thinking there is a direct correlation between the supercharger and those tranny's blowing...maybe since the blower is putting the power through right when the clutch is engaging, while the turbo's are waiting until the clutch is fully engaged, due to turbo lag? just a thought...
Or maybe its cause the Cobalt is after all an economy car and GM didn't put Corvette grade parts in the transmissions. But yours is an idea too.
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 01:11 PM
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lol! true that! What I meant to say was... it seems that the turbo'd balts have less tranny issues at higher hp levels than the s/c balts do. now i could be way off and just noticing things wrong, but I just figured I had maybe made some kind of revelation for myself


now....a vette tranny on a balt....
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 03:17 PM
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Yay lets all fight over how big are E-wangs are. If you dont line the 2.4 dont get simple as that!
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 12:47 AM
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lol interesting how a 2.2 2.4 debate turned into a 2.0 2.4 debate,

back to topic, i honestly think 2.4 is well worth it over 2.2. had the 2.2 for 2.5 year and when i switched to 2.4 i was amazed by it (both auto)
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 12:51 AM
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u could prolly trade it in on an 05 ss s/c for the same price
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PenguinPIE
lol interesting how a 2.2 2.4 debate turned into a 2.0 2.4 debate,

back to topic, i honestly think 2.4 is well worth it over 2.2. had the 2.2 for 2.5 year and when i switched to 2.4 i was amazed by it (both auto)
YA GO WHITE 2.4!!!
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 01:05 AM
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i have a 2.2 with an intake and stage 2+ clucth and i have beaten 2.4 auto with an intake and cat-back. idky, but just saying.

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YA GO WHITE 2.4!!!
ftw.

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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by PenguinPIE
lol interesting how a 2.2 2.4 debate turned into a 2.0 2.4 debate
Don't they always?
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:26 AM
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Don't they always?
God tell me about it! Its like how dare we say ANY Cobalt is a nice car other then the 2.0 cars!

And as for a 2.2 taking a 2.4 we.ve been down that road before and its not only possible but probable when your talking a modded 5spd 2.2 vs even a slighty modded 2.4. 2.2's aren't the huge steaming turds that some people make them out to be, hell my 2.2 04 Cavi with a 5spd ran a 1/4 mile in the 14.6 range at 99 to 100 mph every weekend when I had it. But speed ISN'T everything and me and my family out grew the car, enter my Cobalt 2.4 sedan.
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:33 AM
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you cant compare a modded 2.2 to a stock 2.4..if your gonna compare mods compare equal mods to each and price tag...

in my opinion..every upgrade of cobalt trim is better then the one below it..its pretty much that simple..
2.0>2.4>2.2... but with each upgrade you spend more money (just like everything else in life).

to the OP, If you can do it and you wont take a big hit in the wallet and spend around the same money or even a little more..do it..and if you can spend a little more money..get a ss/sc..but upgrading to the highest trim is not doable finaicale for everyone (like myself)

as far as potental goes, both 2.0/2.4 in my opinion have equal potental...heck even the 2.2 does..every car has potental, the trick is spending the least amount of money to harness that potental
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by gtxsport11
I am gettin a 2006 SS in Ultra Blue Metallic and tradin in the LS.
How much hp will i have if i put a Injen CAI, DC Sports Header and a Good Cat Back Exhaust.
I hate to see all of my work go down the drain in the LS but with only a few mods i can make the SS faster than the ls ever could be.
Just a quick question is there a rev limiter on the 2.4 auto like the LS that only goes to 4K
Wow,

Are you asking if the auto has a Park/neutral rev limiter? I don't see why that's an issue, unless you like revving up on your homies, or putting the car in neutral and then doing a redline drop into D. (LOLLERSKATES)

Intake/header/and exhaust will net you around 20hp. Just a question, but you drive auto huh? I would get the tranny re-tuned if I were you if it's an auto.
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:42 AM
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Wow,

Are you asking if the auto has a Park/neutral rev limiter? I don't see why that's an issue, unless you like revving up on your homies, or putting the car in neutral and then doing a redline drop into D. (LOLLERSKATES)

Intake/header/and exhaust will net you around 20hp. Just a question, but you drive auto huh? I would get the tranny re-tuned if I were you if it's an auto.
Getting a tune is great thats for sure, but you need to find someone who can tune the carin the first place. 2007 has different operating systems then the 2006 cars did making tuning a 2007 very tricky.

As for the trans tune for $15.00 you can get a B&M shift + and get the same effect without the hassle of trying to get the car tuned.
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by articzap
I'm doing it because people bring it up. Beck's tranny has went and he's only pushing 2xx whp. My friend has blown 2 sets of 1-2 syncros and a 2nd gear in his 2.4 transmission with just has bolt ons. Yeah, real great transmissions.
It sounds like your friends have the shifting skills of a zoo monkey. Trannies usually only go out when the driver does not know wtf they are doing. especially if they have gone through more than 1 set of synchros on the same car.

Maybe you could teach them how to stop driving like idiots.

Proof that idiots destroy cars more than HP........guy who bought my SS blew the motor in 17 minutes because he took it and got 87 octane and then beat on it for about ten minutes. My car was fine until it got an idiot behind the wheel. Then he rebuilt the motor. And I told him the way he was driving he was going to break the axles......guess what happened about 2-3 hours after I told him that.....he breaks the axles. And to top it off he was too cheap to call a tow truck so he has his buddy come and they tie his cobalt to the other car and try to tow it, but he attached the straps to "hooks" underneath the car. Just so happened those "hooks" were the hard metal coolant tubes for the intercooler and he ripped the intercooler core and A/C condenser right out of the car. Looks like he really saved money by not using premium, and then by not calling a tow truck.
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Psykostevo
It sounds like your friends have the shifting skills of a zoo monkey. Trannies usually only go out when the driver does not know wtf they are doing. especially if they have gone through more than 1 set of synchros on the same car.

Maybe you could teach them how to stop driving like idiots.

Proof that idiots destroy cars more than HP........guy who bought my SS blew the motor in 17 minutes because he took it and got 87 octane and then beat on it for about ten minutes. My car was fine until it got an idiot behind the wheel. Then he rebuilt the motor. And I told him the way he was driving he was going to break the axles......guess what happened about 2-3 hours after I told him that.....he breaks the axles. And to top it off he was too cheap to call a tow truck so he has his buddy come and they tie his cobalt to the other car and try to tow it, but he attached the straps to "hooks" underneath the car. Just so happened those "hooks" were the hard metal coolant tubes for the intercooler and he ripped the intercooler core and A/C condenser right out of the car. Looks like he really saved money by not using premium, and then by not calling a tow truck.
what a cheap ass hahaha
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Psykostevo
It sounds like your friends have the shifting skills of a zoo monkey. Trannies usually only go out when the driver does not know wtf they are doing. especially if they have gone through more than 1 set of synchros on the same car.

Maybe you could teach them how to stop driving like idiots.

Proof that idiots destroy cars more than HP........guy who bought my SS blew the motor in 17 minutes because he took it and got 87 octane and then beat on it for about ten minutes. My car was fine until it got an idiot behind the wheel. Then he rebuilt the motor. And I told him the way he was driving he was going to break the axles......guess what happened about 2-3 hours after I told him that.....he breaks the axles. And to top it off he was too cheap to call a tow truck so he has his buddy come and they tie his cobalt to the other car and try to tow it, but he attached the straps to "hooks" underneath the car. Just so happened those "hooks" were the hard metal coolant tubes for the intercooler and he ripped the intercooler core and A/C condenser right out of the car. Looks like he really saved money by not using premium, and then by not calling a tow truck.

lol @ 17 minutes
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:49 AM
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Getting a tune is great thats for sure, but you need to find someone who can tune the carin the first place. 2007 has different operating systems then the 2006 cars did making tuning a 2007 very tricky.

As for the trans tune for $15.00 you can get a B&M shift + and get the same effect without the hassle of trying to get the car tuned.
No, the 2007s are NO HARDER to tune than 2006s. You just had the misfortune of an idiot force feeding my '06 tune onto your '07 and then all hell broke loose. Then other issues arised from a miscalculation on my part in injector flow rate. I had the car set for 34# injectors which is what GM said they were, but they really are 32# injectors. I later found out that almost every GM injector flows ~2# less than advertised. We put 36# injectors in solstice, but they have to be tuned for 34#. Go figure.

As for the shift plus, great product and way cheaper than a tune. But it does have limitations. All it can do is harden the shift, not raise shift rpms etc. But still an awesome product for the money.
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:49 AM
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What cast instead of forged rods? PFT! The 2.4 stock rods can handle 400 hp so I don't see a problem with the internals. Any more then that and seriously your begging to have to re-build the engine every year anyway. Now true the 2.4 does have higher compression......and?

As for the transmission being weaker I have yet to hear of ANY 2.4 transmissions failing due to too hp. Now lets compair that to haw many 2.0 manuals die from roasted clutches or the synchros blowing out on on them. It would seem both your points are moot.

As I said before ALL levels of Cobalts are nice cars in thier own rights, why do some of you insist upon pitting one trim level against another?


Something something 400hp...schwha?
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:53 AM
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lol @ 17 minutes
Yeah, it was unbelievable. I told him not to even buy the car because he was going to ruin it. I told him he was better off buying one stock and learning how to be responsible with a high performance car.

Originally Posted by djt81185


Something something 400hp...schwha?
Thanks to Hahn, we have LE5 motors with stock internals pumping out 440hp. I think that's what he was talking about.

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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:53 AM
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Something something 400hp...schwha?
Hey I know go ask Hahn what they're doing with the 2.4 with stock internals. We'll wait.


Magizine racing isn't always correct ya know.
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:54 AM
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Hey I know go ask Hahn what they're doing with the 2.4 with stock internals. We'll wait.


Magizine racing isn't always correct ya know.
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:55 AM
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Thanks to Hahn, we have LE5 motors with stock internals pumping out 440hp. I think that's what he was talking about.
Why yes Steve that IS EXACTLY what I was talking about. Thank you.

And dude I know it wasn't your fault the tune went to **** in my car, I'm not nor have I ever blamed you.

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