Right...cause an aftermarket turbo supplier has more R&D time on the LE5 then the company that designed, tested, and produced it...

Then again what does GM know...they are just magazine ricers...

that chart is straight from gm

 

dont always beleive what people..well..car companies tell you

 

Those numbers are correct for l61 motors on both rods and pistons, and for lsj pistons with noobs tuning them

 

well hahn did nice whp numbers on stock internals on the le5..you can beleive the paper ill beleive the proof

 

Straight from GM they say the 2.0 is a 205 hp car, we all know better tho don't we?

Aparently cause Hahn is getting almost 200 hp MORE out of the LE5 on STOCK internals then GM says it can. BTW the LE5 does not have the same powdered rods as the 2.2 does, its rods are cast and cats rods CAN handle the power juuuuust fine. true forged is better but cast isn't crap. As for pistons I BELIEVE the 2.4 uses hyperutectic pistons. At least thats what I think I read. Anyway I've used hyperutectic pistons in engines makeing upwards of 600 hp. True they were V8's but the material is the same.

 

i was going to use that as my example..but i figured somone else would add it later

 

Your welcome.

 

*you're

 

Lotta bad info here.

All modern cars use hypereutectic pistons, including every production ecotec produced. Its not for performance reasons, its costs and the feature of the piston to resist expansion. The cast hypereutectic pistons making 600hp do so with a little different bore and total number of pistons than whats in an ecotec. Ring land height and stroke play a bigger part in piston life between the different engines.

2.4 rods are listed by gm powertrain as forged steel. GM Performance is listing however that they are sinter-forged powder metal as evident by the screenshot of the latest edition of the build book posted above. The L61 does come equipped with sinter-forged powder metal connecting rods as well.

 

I think it's really funny how people think the 2.2 is such a "turd wagon", especially since it was the original ecotec, the one that puts 1000HP down...

I mean, if we're arguing about modding here....hell it doesn't matter what car you get. if you got the money they can all be beasts...best bang for your buck is what we're looking at I think, and honestly, i'd go with either the 2.2 or the 2.4.

 

i agree...

you have to be the smartest person on this forum..are you sure your human?

 

I actually hung out with Bill Hahn on Saturday. No kidding. Got to talk about all kinds of stuff.

 

Lotta bad info where? All I said was the material the pistons are made of, you said I was correct. I said they had cast rods, you said how half of GM says they do too. Hahn has gotten stock internaled 2.4's to over 400 hp, that in itself suggests that the rods are NOT the same as a 2.2 rods. Seeing how the stock 2.2 rods go boom around 250 hp or so.

I'm still not seeing where the "bad info" is.

Hey I NEVER knocked the 2.2 cars. I leave the hating for the narrow minded people around here, and unfortunetly there is NO shortage of them.

 

Umm I've seen the Solstice that made 440bhp.... I'm not waiting for any more proof. It's real.

 

oh, I was agreeing with you, I know a lot of people tho who think the 2.2 is a joke, and it simple isnt.

 

i know...i was refering to that solstice...true my statement didnt really make sense but what i was implying is that those charts he showed where paper and the solstice is real..

 

I know you never blamed me, but I take responsibility for the injector flow rate, that WAS my fault. But the rest was all DOC. I have heard a lot of bad things about him. I don't think he really knows HOW to tune a car, I think he just had tunes that he PUT on cars.

 

i know alot of people that think hondas are a joke to..untill they see one run 11's at the track with just a few mods

 

Tell the truth Steve! None of his 400 hp 2.4's exist do they! The ONLY ecotec engine that can make those kinds of #'s are the 2.0 cars right?

JK man! That must have been cool.

 

lol god that's scary....

 

And how many road miles does that 440whp le5 have? Is it driven daily? isnt that on race gas? also on a v8 its twice the piston count...so 4 pistons handling 300hp or 75 a piece...compared to 110 a piece...quite a bit of difference.

 

Thats a lie! NO HONDA can run that fast.

 

You said it! J/K. We were out at Firebird Raceway testing his new 700hp twin turbo 5.7L Dodge Charger. That thing was SICK! He flew in and contacted my cohorts and asked them to bring me down there so that we could meet and discuss some magazine articles that I am going to write about his products, and also do some product writeups and reviews.

I love being able to get behind the scenes in the auto industry.

I will be posting pics of some of the cool crap from Saturday.

 

700hp charger..must....seee.....pics.....

 

Hahn has sold several 300 and 400 hp cars from what I've read. Now are they used for daily driving, what gas do they use, how many miles on them, those are all questions I'd have to tell you to go ask Hahn.

Also doesn't Hahn's son have a 2.4 turboed Balt?