damn thats sick...

 

Ill call your bluff...what 2.2 or honda runs 11s with a few mods...

 

red2.4ss and celicacobalt on the forums here both run the 2.4 hahn kit and daily drive it on premium gas...and with boltons they will be close to 300 horses

 

Huh?

That Solstice IS daily driven. The owner even drove it down to phoenix from Las Vegas on Sunday. It gets lots of miles. That is on 91 octane. and where did the V8 come from? That LE5 solstice has the 2.4L LE5, so it's still got 4 pistons.

 

93 civic hatch /w k24 drop+turbo...thats 2 MODS!

i guess he thinks not all fast 4 cylinder cars can be daily driven

 

Coming right up. I'm waiting for them to upload from my phoen to the computer. You can't see the turbos too well because they were well hidden due to the cramped design of the charger engien bay.

 

IM---POZ---ABLE! Not with the *gasp* stock internal! * gasp gasp* GM says they're only good to 250 hp!!! its ......... just .......... not .......... possible!!!

 

The entire thread.

You stated hypereutectic pistons were good for 600hp. That doesn't apply here. The rods aren't cast, thats never been stated. I have no idea what "true forged" means.

I doubt Hahn's car is a daily driver like some here wish their's to be. Because one car can hold 400hp on a drag strip doesn't mean every LE5 connecting rod is capable of such. Chances are you'll have a higher failure rate after the 250hp mark, as GM claims, because the quality control isn't there. Magnafluxing isn't done on production LE5 rods so you can have a wide range of failure points.

As far as LSJ dynoing higher than 205hp, my car dynoed 237whp with a stage 2 kit, intake, exhaust, 2.8" blower pulley and header 2 years ago. By some standards here thats low but my dyno operator tends to try to keep his dyno accurate. Others love to inflate their numbers, even when stock, to make them look like some great tuner or to have returning customers.

I find exaggeration starts flame wars more so than discussions about differences in trim levels.

 

just go for the ss/sc or the ss/tc. much faster than the 2.4

 

ah your right! gm says so, so it cant happen! i must have made those two people up...my bad for lying guys..

 

Some people also forget or don't know that forced induction cars with high HP are NOT like high horse power NA cars. They rarely lose their daily driver status because they can be driven like a near stock car while not under boost. Does the dude command 440hp out of it every day? NO. So when not under the boost why would it act much different than stock?

I think he was thinking of big cams with doorknob sized lobes on them that make V8s disgustingly sick and hard to keep idle in traffic.

 

No guys I brought up the V8 when I said the couple I built with the same piston material made over 600 hp.

Can't let you flame him for only part of what was said.

 

i want some of em on my le5!! haha

 

not true and not worth the money.

 

No thats not what I said Witt. I said I have had V8's with hyperutectic pistons make over 600hp, I never said that means ALL hyperutectic pistons can handle 600 hp. I said the material was the same.

Steve says he's seen the car daily driven, is Steve lying to us all?

And I have yet to see one single 2.0 owner say their car dynoed 205 at the wheels stock. EVERY SINGLE one shows dyno graphs in the 220 range stock.

As for exagerations starting more flame wars I'd have to say that its actualy started by the few 2.0 owners who think their cars are Gods gift to the automotive world. This thread was started by someone who once owned a 2.2 and traded it for a 2.4 everything was going nice till a few 2.0 owners interjected with hate. Now we're here talking about how this is BS and thats wrong and every stupid little thing everyone says is being picked apart with negativity.

AIN'T THIS FUN!

BTW Witt the thread was started to say someone traded thier 2.2 for a 2.4 NOT as a what car is better, that started with the 2.0 guys and thier 2 cents. Oh sorry SOME 2.0 guys.

 

Wrong......IMO the suspension is overlooked on the SS/SCTC people tend to forget really HOW different the cobalts are despite having the same turtle shell on top of them. I say if you change the motor, tranny, suspension, steering, and brakes then you have a completely different car, doesn't matter what body you put on it.

 

His dyno:
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...=celica+cobalt

My redline, same dyno...I had K&N CAI, 42.5lbers, 2.7" pulley, and Maf-t...this was before hpt was even out.

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/vi...l/400681_a7669


Jackalope said he had 600hp v8 on hypers so i did the math for hp/piston on the 4 cylinder

Also the hahn car was 440 on race gas, head studs, and valve springs

it was 375 in street trim.

Where is the honda's clutch, slicks, exhaust, exhaust manifold, injectors, hondata...just placing a k24 and a turbo in the engine bay isnt going to do much except take up room and probably make the hood not shut since u didnt bother to swap it.

What do I know about daily driven fast 4 cylinder? 305whp on a mustang dyno at 19psi...stock lsj internals...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPUFP1Xk2tM

 

Off Topic>

Here are the pics I took fo the Hahn Charger:

 

There is a stock lsj at the end of that vid i posted...it made 205 iirc...dynojets show 210-220...mustangs and other load based dynos show around 200

 

I already corrected that. I won't let someone take a flaming for only part of a conversation.

Wiat! Isn't that PAST the GM 250 hp mark? Thats all I've been saying all along.

 

you are definately right about the suspension. the ss/tc suspension is sick, especially with those brakes... but in reality those are things that often get replaced right away anyhow, so I wasn't looking at that so much. You do make a good point tho.

mmmmm very nice....

 

*sigh* Again.... EVERY thread posted here that I've seen has shown the 2.0 to make in the 220 hp range. Either.........

"A" Everyone here thats posted is a lyer.
"B" All the dynos were messed up.
"C" The 2.0 makes more then GM's claim of 205 hp.

I don't see any other viable options, does anyone else?

 

Thanks

How many street miles is my question...So 1 car did it...great...1 is not a large enough sample population to make assumptions about the rest of a product...Gm is not wrong in any other numbers in that section...why would they lie just about the 2.4...that book is designed to help tuners...not give them false hope...I guarantee a le5...hell even a lsj would not survive gm reliability testing at 375 CRANK hp (320 wheel)

 

Nope, not lying. It may not be driven "7" days EVERY week, but it is driven daily and for LONG distances (Vegas to Phoenix and Back plus the road trip on Sunday was about 900miles total in one day! If it is wasn't streetable it would never have done that)

And here in Arizona stock SS's dyno in around 180whp. Never seen one personally here that even dyno'd over 200 stock. I think 195 stock is highest I recall, but most are 175-185whp.

 

You forgot variations between different types of dynos...

But i do believe gm underrated the lsj a lil.