lol omg...the 2.4 vs ecotec fights were soooo annoyingly dumb.

 

Ok, you're going to call me a dick, and then tell ME to grow up? I didn't resort to name calling, I don't need to lower myself. I was accurate when I said "you're annoying" because I do find it annoying that you would voice your opinion about the 2.4 vs the 2.0 when you don't have any direct knowledge or experience in either.


Ok, listen everybody, I can understand that you guys are happy with your cars, and you enjoy modding it. I respect that, and there's no need to argue any more about why people mod the 2.4's, OK?

I look forward to seeing what you guys accomplish

 

wow I made a 6 page thread. Too bad its so far off topic

As far as handling goes--yes the S/C does handle better at the expsense of ride, rattles, vibrations. I can through my 2.4L into a corner pretty fast and it doesn't beat me up.

 

If you want a harsh ride with rattles and vibrations, get an F-body. I don't know what was wrong with the one you drove, but mine rides fine, with no rattles. I just got back from a trip to IDDVII, where it was 9 hours one-way. I was even in the recaro's, and had no complaints from my brother who rode with.

 

you must have good roads.

I have owned many F-bodies. IROC-Zs are the worst ride and rattles. Something about 550llb per sqaure inch springs and a noodle like chassis...

 

you might wanna go outside and check over your car for some hidden Honda badges

jesus christ

lets see, what boosted cars are you beating out of the box? 95% of you are about .2 from a 15 second pass stock.

if you wanted a fast car...you should've got this

Cheaper and faster...man did you waste your money getting a slower car *sarcasm*

Its going to be fun running against you boys with the 75 shot

 

I'm pretty sure all that above would ruin a ss/sc. Like everyone has said, u dont need to have forged pistons, built tranny etc to run moderate boost of 8-10lbs, which would be enough to beat a stock ss/sc. You talk about the sc running in the 12's. Thats one person and the reliablility of this hasnt been proven yet and obviously that wouldnt be covered under warranty...which everyone else has discussed also. This is the hahnracecraft being offered to the 2.2 and soon for the 2.4 "In quarter mile testing at 12 PSI boost, our 3000 lb. Cavalier Attitude show car achieved 12.96 seconds @ 104 mph! This test car was fitted with slicks, the Stage II turbosystem, and an MBRP dual exhaust. As stock Cavalier/Sunfire carsare considerably lighter than this show beauty, we see strong potential for 12 second passes from a stock weight car at the standard boost level of 9 PSI." I understand thats a cavalier...but this kit will be very similar for the cobalts. So at moderate boost of 10lbs.....it'll keep up with your modded 12sec ss/sc. I'm not trying to start a fight, but u sound like "if you want to build a fast car buy the ss/sc...otherwise your wasting your money" which I dont believe is true at all. To each his own thats what I say.

 

so true dude....lets get some srt guys up here now.....tell all the ss/sc guys about how their car is faster....lol.............not really....but seriously this thread is outta control now

 

you all can argue 2.4 this and 2.0 that, some peaple get the urge to mod, some like to buy it out of the box, personally when I bought my 2.4 if I wanted something faster I would have bought the ss/sc, but no I wanted the 2.4 because it is an more advanced egine that I think will hold up better in the long run.You guys need to look outside the box there is plenty of compitiion out there without having to burn one and other. I can understand why some guys get the mod bug I had a vibe with a extra ten grand invested and Its only competition it had at the time were srt-4's, so I think that anyone who has a ss/sc should think twice about how badass your car really is

 

hmmm that sucks, around here there are several dealerships that have at least 10 sssc at various prices. the cheapest i have seen them are like 20,500. which i believe is rediculusly cheap, but i still want my 19,000 2.4ss. I wanted the cobalt 2.4 since the concept premiered before the sc version. tommarow i'm going to take a look at blue one with manual tranny. its the only one i have found so far that is a couple, blue, standard tranny and has the pioneer audio. it also has a sun roof and xm, but i could care less for em.

so come to STL and check out the ss's, it seems like we cant sell them here.

 

and to sum up this thread

how insanely dumb is it to argue about which car is better when they're built off the same platform?

 

WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!! who cares.....let the cobalt dominate all others....hehehe....and ion....sorry ionninja

 

This about sums up the last 10 minutes of my life. but things i did learn where:

People here are idiots just like everywhere else in the world
there's always going to be a better choice according to someone
06badss feels his uber fast cobalt compensates for something and that the 2.4l's are no better then chuck norris on a scooter
and i'm an idiot for even reading past the first page and repyling to this pointless thread.

 

And the way you were acting was with a "dick like" attitude, so I was accurate as well.

Knowledge and experience are 2 different things. I don't need to physically drive a car to know anything about the car or motor. The reason I even joined this thread was to add my insight as far as if I did own a 2.4 and what I might do.

 

It's almost as the 2.4 is a sneak preview of the SS/SC. Everybody tried it now they want the real thing!

 

Mercury, that is a pretty good way of puttin it

 

Honestly out of all 3. the LS, SS, SS/SC, I think the LS and SS are the most reliable, of the three. it seems with these cars, every option that is added, is an option that breaks later on.

Better handling on the SS/SC 2.0? Yes, but at what cost? Squeaks? Vibrations? Knobs falling off of sunroofs?

All three are good cars and there are varying "levels" of fast. What's fast for one person is not necessarily fast for another.

The LS base model is faster with more torque than just about any of the older Honda Civics as far as I know, they're still boasting those extremely anemic high revving (and low-torque) engines. So there. Nyah. hehe

Just as a personal preference I like the SS better than the SC. I too do not like the wing, and the color inserts on the seats, and a few other things. Plus, my back is fucked up and I like a smoother ride. And I hate squeaks and rattles. :P hehe. I also have a priority of finding a car with a nice blend of performance, fuel mileage, and a smooth ride (Spinal Arthritis is SOO MUCH FUN!)

Sometimes it's not ALL about speed, sometimes it's also about other things too. So knocking some guy because he didn't buy the high end to start with really doesn't make a whole lot of sense... If I had my choice I'd prefer to buy a brand new 2004 Chevy Impala SS. Nice ride, with the V6 supercharged. Decent gas mileage, etc. Only they changed the damn thing and now it looks like a freaking honda accord, made the V8 a part time V8, dumped the supercharger. And just overall ruined the car.. (bleah) hehehe.

The large grill opening on the Impala and the Cobalt are what attracted me to the vehicles in the first place. I'm so sick of every single car maker trying to mimic the civic and the accord, it's disgusting.

 

[GTP comes back to thread after 12 hours....looks around......runs away]

 

This thread is still going on? Like I've been trying to say, I'm done argueing in this thread. Don't insult me saying I have a honda badge on my car. Bring your 75 shot, or shut up. 95% of the S/C SS run mid to low 14's last I checked-but it doesn't even matter. You guys mod your cars, we'll mod our 2.0's, and we'll all be happy. Have fun, and I hope to meet some of you at the track.

 

yeah i dont even want to read this because it will only make me angry

 

sorry but its true...the LSJ is not the pinnacle of performance so don't act like it.

and no 95% of SS/SC's don't run mid to low 14's stock...try more like high 14's as in like a 14.8@98mph. Believe me I check very often and the ones who run below that time are few and far between.

Anyway, have fun with your LSJ...I'll have fun with my L61 and soon to be 75 shot.