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Old 09-07-2010, 11:53 AM
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The exhaust housing/wheel of the small turbo can become an issue, which is why the wastegate for the small turbo is spec'd so large. This in done in attempt to get the small turbo out of the way, in a sense.
yup you are correct!

I'm hoping that the 60mm tial wastegate will be enough.


other people also use a pair of 44mm wastegate (instead of 1 big wg) to make sure that there will be no issues....
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Old 09-16-2010, 09:03 PM
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anyways, some parts that just came from being cryo-treated:

Bates Billet Oil pump gears and Bates Chain tensioner



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Old 09-16-2010, 09:08 PM
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WooT!
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this is going to be completely awesome!!! dont mean to ask an off topic question but how much work did it take to run the 35r on the lnf???
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Old 09-22-2010, 06:31 AM
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this is going to be completely awesome!!! dont mean to ask an off topic question but how much work did it take to run the 35r on the lnf???
not much work involved, since the GT35R from BTF is a bolt on kit.

Tuning is the key and involves lots of it, so the bigger turbo will do what it supposed to do
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Old 09-29-2010, 10:17 AM
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since I'll be hoping to get some serious torque/whp, I am upgrading my OZ wheels with nitto nto5s...............to wider wheels and tires!

I would like to give thanks to TOYO TIRES for sponsoring me a set of PROXES R888! 295/30/18 on all corners Home | Toyo Tires



and definitely thank you to FORGESTAR WHEELS for sponsoring me a set of customized F14 wheels! These wheels are FLOW-FORMED, technology used on Formula 1 and Indy cars! They are very light and strong! Forgestar Wheels | The Worlds 1st 1 piece lightweight flow formed wheel lineup

18" x 10" (matte black) on all corners

weighs less than 20 lbs!


I can't wait to receive these bad boys!




Now, the kappa owners have more/better choices for wheel selection!!!

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can't wait to see pricing on those wheels and 10 inches man that is pretty sick how are you going to control the wheel rub? Spacers?
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Old 09-29-2010, 12:05 PM
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I believe with correct offset, I will have no rubbing issues.

I just need to roll-out the rear fenders if needed. The KW v3 coil-overs, I might raise them if needed as well.

A couple of sky/solstice actually have 11" wheels on all corners. The one guy, only added an 1" spacer at the rear. He doesnt have any rubbing issues inside. I'm assuming that, I only have 10" wheel, so I shouldnt have any rubbing issues. If I get some, I'll probably add 3/16" spacer or so....but I doubt it.
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anyways, some parts that just came from being cryo-treated:

Bates Billet Oil pump gears and Bates Chain tensioner



When cryo treating your parts, what kind of changes do you see in the dimensions? I am thinking about getting some rods and other parts treated, but i was worried about the dimensional stability. I wouldnt want to have to machine the parts back into tolerance if the shrink during the process.
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Old 09-29-2010, 09:01 PM
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dimensions will not change bro. Probably in their very microscopic level, some changes will occur.


even before, all of my friends have shot peened their rods. Now you can do a combo of shot peening and cryo-treatment as well...
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Originally Posted by 07cobaltguy View Post
When cryo treating your parts, what kind of changes do you see in the dimensions? I am thinking about getting some rods and other parts treated, but i was worried about the dimensional stability. I wouldnt want to have to machine the parts back into tolerance if the shrink during the process.
Think about it. Cryo treating is freezing something down to an extremely cold temperature, then bringing it back to normal temp. Nothing is changing in the atomic structure of the material, therefore no changes will be made. A rod a say 90* is still the same rod at 90*, because it is still made from the same material as before. If there would happen to be any changes, it would be so minute you would never know in the first place. Lots of people have been cryo treating for a long time, and I have never heard of anyone having any ill effects.
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I was just curious. But thats a good explanation. I wasnt sure if the molecular structure was pulling together shrinking the part. Im a plastic injection molder my world revolves around shrink rates and part shrinkage. I over thought it basically.
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Originally Posted by 07cobaltguy View Post
I was just curious. But thats a good explanation. I wasnt sure if the molecular structure was pulling together shrinking the part. Im a plastic injection molder my world revolves around shrink rates and part shrinkage. I over thought it basically.
No, you didn't really over think it, you thought it over very well. That DOES happen, but not to the degree it would in a plastic piece. The more dense a material is, the less expansion and contraction there will be due to temperature and other factors.
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ok your right. in my industry im dealing with parts that can change .050 in a few seconds based on melt, pressure,time,cooling, viscosity shift up to 30% so on and so forth. metals being much denser material are less prone to huge swings in dimensions. I understand what you are saying. I was on the right path at least.
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Thanks NITROFREEZE for the first batch of stuff that were cryo-treated (BATES shafts/chain tensioner spring/oil pump gears/rocker arms/head studs and SUPERTECH 78 lb springs/valve seats/titanium retainers and GMPP driveshaft! This will make sure that they are 30-50% more durable!



I was lucky enough that one forum member sold me a pair of LNF axles and driveshaft that were only used for 500 miles for only $200. So I had them cryo-treated, and I'll have my current axles and driveshaft as a back-up

Next batch going for cryo-treatment will be SPEC clutch and flywheel, hubs/sliders, and more drivetrain parts.

and last batch will be the two turbos, manifold, and pipings....
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Wonder if the cryo treatment of the valve springs will affect their tension?

I am curious about that...
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Originally Posted by mkriebs View Post
Wonder if the cryo treatment of the valve springs will affect their tension?

I am curious about that...
Martin from Supertech, Ray Bates, and Ryan from Nitrofreeze all confirmed to me that the springs' tension will be fine
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i understand why u want to cryo some parts but wont it make it make other more prone to snapping like tungsten? valve springs as an example. i am not bashing just trying to understand.
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I found some info that explains it better for me. Maybe it will help here.

http://www.nitrofreeze.com/RETP3034Cryo.pdf
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Originally Posted by buellfooll View Post
I found some info that explains it better for me. Maybe it will help here.

http://www.nitrofreeze.com/RETP3034Cryo.pdf
you beat me to it!

thank you!
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Originally Posted by chevysssc View Post
i understand why u want to cryo some parts but wont it make it make other more prone to snapping like tungsten? valve springs as an example. i am not bashing just trying to understand.

yes, I understand, you are not bashing bro. Thank you.


I am no expert in regards to cryo-treatment, that's why I always do research on my own, as well as asking experts such as Ray bates, Martin of supertech, and Ryan of nitrofreeze. They know their products inside and out.


Cryo-treatment will improve strength, ductility, and toughness of the metal products that I had treated, especially the valve springs. Valve springs will benefit, and will not snap since the ductility and longevity will be improved.

In regards to the valves, I am planning to send only the black nitrided valves (intake valves made out of stainless). But not the Inconel Exhaust valves. According to Ryan of Nitrofreeze, "The black nitrided ones will benefit far more than the inconel. The reason being that the black nitride are made of stainless steel. The hardness of the valves will not change or go up. Cryogenics toughens up the molecular structure but not the actual hardness of the part.



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Or you could wait for borg warners new turbo coming out... Next to no turbo lag at all. Spool time of our KD04 and power output of a S256, dual wastegates, electronically controlled, pure genious. lol!
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Umm. VGT. Big deal. I am running a VGT turbo right now on a project of mine.

Also, output of an S256, is not enough to support what Antonio wants.
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Originally Posted by mkriebs View Post
Umm. VGT. Big deal. I am running a VGT turbo right now on a project of mine.

Also, output of an S256, is not enough to support what Antonio wants.
well output of a s256 is good enough for me. was just saying.
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