y is it hard to believe. cmiller did 12.2 on stock turbo. just cuz u cant do 11s doesnt mean others cant.

 

Stu you should have drove mine instead of me blowing it up

 

Bench race? I ain't bench racing ****. I have been to the track, i posted my times, they are legit, same as you. Where's the bench racing? I am saying, my car, with $500 invested in HPTuners, on stock tires, stock EVERYTHING, except the tune, ran .2 seconds slower than you. Where did I bench race huh? Oh, and guess what, my LNF traps a 110. Am I running Nitrous now? E85? C16? I mean really. You make no sense to me. I don't give a **** what your car can do on the street. I am proud of you. Your build is respectable, I am not saying **** about that, I am not making this personal unless you wanna come talk **** like your car runs, but it hasn't put **** down for times son.

 

so then i would have blown it up!!! hell no!

 

I'm not sure what octane has to do with the power band. The turbo still flows the same if you put in 93, E85, or C16. Personally, I think C16 would make an LNF slower since we can't add more boost to take advantage of it. We have tried E85, but until significant fuel delivery capacity increases are made, it is not worthwhile on the LNF. While we picked up a few HP, the power band was cut short with combustion going to crap as pulse widths extended far beyond the optimum window.

 

I run 94 octane, and hope to be in the 11's with just 3 mods and slicks.

 

And Norwalk as your 4th mod. I'm not knocking you- just saying that it helps. I wish I lived closer.

 

atco falls into this category as well

 

norwalk rules. wish we could get a cobalt shootout there. kinda like the dsm shootout buscher puts on but for us cobalt guys.

 

I am not going to disagree, I have mentioned that before. I was going to ask you, do you think I will get any better results if I throw in like a 50-50 mix of 93 or 94oct and 110?

 

Only way you get results is if you tune for it. Basically, the way I understand it, this car doesn't make any consideration to changes in fuel. Of course, if you are runnign a mix, you can up the timing substantially, and that may give you some power. I could be off though.

 

94 octane isnt available anymore sunoco has been bought out and now only sells 91 and 93. you going to the track tomorrow?

 

Went on the summit site and it doesnt show another whoop ass wed. till next week. Blue suede cruise is this week.

I see. well maybe I wont do that.

 

We've tested race gas on the dyno and gained nothing, so we run 93. I'd say if you have occasional knock, it wouldn't hurt to run a gallon through now and then to get your octane in the mid 90s.

True. Racing at sea level in December. With a car like the LNF that is just plain out of turbo, any DA improvement is a welcomed bonus.

 

[QUOTE=Matt M;4247089]We've tested race gas on the dyno and gained nothing, so we run 93. I'd say if you have occasional knock, it wouldn't hurt to run a gallon through now and then to get your octane in the mid 90s.

Ok. Thank You

 

crank the timing on race gas. makes for all kinds of lawls.


i ran last wed at the track, the da dropped 1500ft, and half a second dropped off not even trying. i heart low da's

 

Atco + cobalt = death

 

shitty

 

I didn't say anything about bench racing. I didn't say anything about you running anything other than 93 octane. You are saying you ran like a 13.1 on the LNF? That isn't really much to use for leverage. LNF Skys/Solstices run low 12s with just a tune. And they don't have any fancy launch control or NLTS. I wasn't attacking you at all, I was questioning ZZPs supposed powerband.

You're not sure what octane has to do with the power band? You should just put the keys down and let someone come take your cars. Higher octane allows more timing, hence more power. Guess what, if your low end torque goes up, so does the horsepower. And while you can't add more top end airflow (and I'll agree ~320whp or your dyno's inflated 330whp is doable on a stock turbo FWD LNF), you can increase the power your car makes with the massive low end airflow by adding more timing from using C16, Meth, or E85. I have asked three times now for a dyno chart showing what your car did. How hard is that?

 

Let me refresh your memory:

So, I am not sure what you were talking about bench racing for then. But w/e, I'm over it. I also said I run a 13.0 on solely a tune and street tires, whereas you run a 12.8 on an extensive mod list and slicks. I was just pointing out the difference in money spent there. Me, $500 spent. You, $5k spent. For the money, you need to be running faster, but whatever, I'm done with this convo.

 

Maybe someone should come and take your keys from you and race your car down the track. 411whp, and still in the 12's, 11's how hard is that? Maybe the man has other projects going on and his first responsibility is not to get your dyno sheet posted. I'd line that stock turboed car up against you any day, maybe my twincharged car, because you know my 486whp was inflated. Pick a flavor?

 

i'll pick on the lnf car from a 50 punch

 

Ok, this may come across a bit arrogant, but it is directed only towards you. As an owner, tuner, driver, I hold the the record for the fastest FWD Grand Prix, Impala, Monte Carlo, and Cobalt TC. If you really think I should be putting the keys down, you are really out of touch.

What you don't seem to understand is that race gas will not make more power if you don't need it. Also, direct injection motors do not tune the same as standard injection motors. I have made well over 100 dyno pulls in my LNF testing various parts and fuels. I believe that I am qualified to report my findings despite your misinformed replies.

Another thing that you said that makes no sense- On one hand, you say that we must be making more than the 330whp that we claimed because my TC traps too high. Then you turn around and say that our dyno gives inflated numbers because we claimed 330whp. It sounds like you are simply arguing in any direction that suits you at the moment.

FWIW, I have already posted several dyno sheets for my LNF.

You better do it soon. We will be looking at another 100whp before the season is over.

 

You saw a 321whp car run 12s. It never made a pass on nitrous. You'd have to take the twincharged car agaisnt me. That stock turboed LNF isn't going to take me rolling.

And I have a quick question, why does Matt M hold a 400whp dyno for the SS/TC if he says he's only doing 330whp on his SS/TC?

 

He had a big turbo on it, and took it off IIRC.

Also, how do you measure times from a roll? Just curious, this must be a new fangled racing that I have never heard of. You bring up track times, then you bring up roll racing, which one do you want to talk about. Let's quit being bi-polar here, and get the topic straight. Track racing is the only racing that matters, because it is the only racing that is measurable. End of story.