The ignorance in this thread is astounding

This isn't even classified as jargon, it's on a entirely different level.

 

Your tune will be. Not the car lol.

 

What...?

 

Ignorance as in where?

Because the facts are fact to what I said. Each to there own. I've been doing this **** for oh i dunno, since "forever " haha. The point is you (guys and you know who you are) are using the meth as a fueling source because the nozzles are so large so therefore you can increase timing and etc more ten you could with less nozzle ccs.

 

dont worry james he already said no1 can make ne power unless there using ur tunes....im thinkin sum1 is a little butthurt

 

Anyone can make power but doing what's correct is smart. He's fine if he wants to use 14gph bs which isn't needed but hey like I said each there own.

 

ill stick to my dual 5gphs

 

 

meh meth is a crutch, i was using the tb/cai spacer and it was pooling just at the end of the cai and tb.
couldnt put the check valve any closer to the nozzel either.... i was happy feet with it also it kicks in at 7 all the way to the top.

i recommend it for cooling but not as a octane booster. its not for the faint of heart, because when their **** blows they will QQ and say so and so said it was safe and blah blah.

 

lmfao

 

such an informative thread yet no mention of it's effect on blower efficiency....

 

bahahahahaha!!!!

 

Blower efficiency isn't rated at a more cfm or lifespan due to meth. Infact the efficiency of the blower will never change. A mechanical part will have its set efficiency due to its rotational mass. And etc

 

i think maybe he was implying that when you use meth you raise the efficiency of the blower because you can run a smaller pulley without raising the heat too much?

idk, but i agree with you that as long as you dont change the inner works of the blower then you cant really change the efficiency.

 

Oh ok, we'll what's happening is the efficiency of the blower stays the same. What's changing is what you can get away with. Basically like putting a bandaid on . The efficiency of the sc is set so either it is making to much heat or limited on airflow per boost . So all that's really going on is the methanol raises octane which then acts as the main key holder to get more out Of the engine by pushing the forced induction passed its efficiency range.

 

Oooh ok. Thank you so much for explaining that. So the boost gain that a properly set up pre-blower meth injection kit provides MUST be magic.

I'm not talking about the damn irrelevant compressor map. I say irrevelant because so few ppl know what it actually means or how to read one.
No matter how good a blower is machined, there is a gap around the rotors. W/M seals this gap up some and therefore increases the output effeciency of the blower. More air per revolution.

 

I honestly don't know wether to take you serious or you trying to make things complicated!

No matter what the efficiency of the actual sc will never change. The revolutions of the sc will be maxed at a certain area so therefore the efficiency dies there. Over spinning the sc may get more "boost" but that does not mean its ok or efficient. Going with a prerotor meth kit doesn't make the sc more efficient. The coating around the rotors is for heat purposes.

 

Well at least wr have one thing in common, and that is i can't take you seriously either.

If a blower at x rpm puts out 500cfm increases it's output to say 510cfm (which is where more boost comes from) by spraying meth, then it has in turn become more efficient. NOTHING changed other the gap between the rotors and walls.

It's putting out more air at the same rpm as before; it's more efficient.

And when did i say anything about rotor coating?
Please don't pull in even more stuff to confuse ppl into believing you.

I know you'll have more "facts" to come back with, so save the trouble and andwer this one question;
If spraying pre blower doesn't change the output efficiency of the blower, then where is this magical extra air coming from?

 

Alright first off. Efficiency of a mechanically rotated mass objects had its set efficiency within the actual mechanical parts. Over spinning te rotors doesn't make the sc more efficient. Adding water meth may help seal the gap between the rotors with te coating but it's not gonna make the sc more efficient. How it works is it makes the boost more efficient by lowering iat2s so therefore lowering egts and etc.


What your saying is completely repulsive and incorrect. Just because you can over spin the sc and make more boost doesn't mean the efficiency is going up if the airflow is more then 1lbs less. Now understand this what happens with denser air? You end up creating more boost because the air is cooler and dense. Does this make the actual sc more efficient? No it means the air coming out is more effiecint. Two different thing we are talking about

Your saying if I spray meth pre blower it'll make te sc more efficient which is actually false to the mechanical parts of the sc.

What I'm saying: by adding the meth to pre lower your adding a cooler charge where denser air comes into play which also creates te magical boost you speak of. Now does this also help seal the rotors yes. But not enough to cause to drastic boost. Because what is boost? It's a restriction.

 

good info duh!

 

whenever james gets in a dispute with sum1 thers always sum real good info being put out...i actually learn alot from his disputes lol

 

If the blower is creating less heat, it can stay efficient longer. Such as tc guys pushing them past 23-24 lbs, they are out of their effieicny range and are doing nothing but blowing hot air.
If the air coming out of the blower isn't heated from heatsoak, then it is therefor more dense.
WHen relating blower speed per revolution to come up with it's effiency ratings per revolution, heat is taken into consideration, which typically wont change. However if you have water/meth it will be more efficient
VE goes up when nitrous is added, (which will also drop iat's like a rock. If something doesn't have to work as hard for whatever reason....oils,heat,friction or weight, effiency is gained.
I can see how the arguement can be played on either side.

 

 

Two key points in arguing this:


1. Lowering iat2s and the temp of the sc makes the air coming out more efficient due to little heat. Meaning the sc revolutions may still be overscan which is out of its efficiency

2. Mechanical parts have there efficiencys or tensile strengths. Since we are talking about a rotatin object there is bearings, gears and etc. the rotational mass of something looses efficiency within its revolutions. I'm not saying that efficiency of air is loaded with meth added. I'm stating the mechanical parts are past it's barrier of efficiency. Meaning breaking objects ect. Which is why people who want to test the limits on the ko4 do blow turbos. Out of efficient range

 

I would agree with that point. However the cooler temps do help overcome things. which is why I said it can be argued both ways