wow dude... arguing on the internet is useless and calling someone a idiot is also pretty dumb and does not speak well for you... what is your problem anyway, my orginal post was simply talking in generic terms anyway... I would have answered your question if posted in such a way I could understand it... Your language went right over my head, I really didn't have a clue what you meant or was trying to get out... hence the Grammar police thing.. (I was trying to be funny, you know, haha), anyway, like I was saying, the guy I raced with the 5.0 did not have a port and polish anything, eventhough he could do the stock lower to help with air flow... as seen here: http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/te...akePorting.pdf

This would be considered a mod to help smooth out the air-flow, hence better throttle response when paired up with headers/exhaust... again, I used port & polish as an example of a supporting mod, generally speaking, depending on the platform. Seriously, this **** is not rocket science.

Does that answer your question...

anyway, what and the hell is a Mustang owner doing on a Cobalt forum, being an ASS, because someone didn't speak in application specific terms about a Mustang... seriously dude, give it a rest

 

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im here to correct the insane amount of false info and retardation on this forum. Some here know what they are talking about...and i respect them. Most don't, but pretend they do, such as yourself. Using port and polish as a general term on a 50 is like me talking about an evo and saying he could have a different pipe...mid pipe? upper IC, lower IC? down pipe? well what the **** am i talking about? nobody can tell because i didn't specify and each would have significantly different gains and effects. Port and polish could range from porting the lower manifold like you googled obviously, to ported and polished stock heads with a valve job and springs... hmmm, so you could be talking about racing a 5.0 with 230ish whp or high 200's....You couldn't understand me because you had absolutely no idea what you were talking about. The second post i will admit, was missing a comma, but the first was quite clear.

 

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you just opened a huge can a worms you're not prepared to deal with.

 

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This is really a useless argument. Anybody with half a brain will see that the Cobalt SS and the 5.0 mustang is NOT even comparable. You are talking about a modern "fuel efficent" sport compact versus a 20 year old tried and true late model v8 pushrod muscle car.

Go pick up a Muscle Mustangs and 5.0 magazine and take a gander at a few of the cars. I hear guys on the cobaltss forums talking about trying to break 300WHP like its the greatest challenge in the world, or breaking into the 12's; like that makes the car ungodly fast. In the mustang realm a lot of guys are pushing 400+ to the wheels without breaking a sweat. Go to turbomustangs.com or corral.net and see what some of the 5.0 guys are running with the same amount of money into their cars and your jaw will hit the floor. Hell my hatch 5.0 runs solid 12's on the motor and I think its REALLY slow compared to the local 5.0 crowd. Most of the 5.0 crowd around saint louis is in the 11s or quicker, and the real serious ones are in the 9s and 8s. But comparing any of them to the cobalt is a joke because if you're ultimate goal was low quarter mile times, you wouldn't buy the cobalt anyways.

You are comparing apples to oranges. A mustang will never get the gas mileage a cobalt does, or have the comfort and modern ammenities, and the cobalt will ultimately never have a chance in at the dragstrip against a well equiped 5.0 stang. Yes, your modified ss/sc will probably beat a few near stock 5.0s with less than optimal setup, but treasure those moments becuase when you finally roll up on a REAL 5.0, say goodbye. End of story!

That said I love my new Cobalt SS/SC and I also love my mustang, and won't be selling either anytime soon. Two different cars, two different purposes.

Flame on.

 

i dont want to get into the whole 5.0> whatever or the other way around. I just can't stand when people talk about something and have no idea what is going on. Didn't mean to thread jack.

 

i think the idea is that cubic inches do not necessarily mean more hp. having watch pinks and had a very talented engine builder in the family i have concluded that if you want to go fast it takes money. if you want to be the fastest it takes all your time and money. i very much enjoy the bracket races for to reasons. first and formost the run down. second only to the small block kickin ass on the big block. one thing i learnd early on in the game is power is of no use without control. and i would like to hear about some of these easy and inexspensive mod's for these v8 cars. i am a total fan V8 cars but my cobalt is not just a straight line car which is what makes it so much fun to drive. and the wife's V28 doesn't seem to have any problems with the GT. i can respect both cars. and i have killed a couple myself

 

Good kill. Ive ran my room mates 93 Notch with header back full exhaust(bbk shorties bbk x pipe and mac mufflers), upr shifter with hurst handle, 3.73's, cold air kit, suspension and subframe connectors...probably a few other things I dont remember and he kills me everytime. From a stop he destroys me and from a roll he gets 2-3 cars on me.


And I do know a little about foxes....I owned a 88 notch 5l 5speed.



The past few issues have a bone stock motor with 220k and a turbo with a few suspension mods running high 11's. And bone stock as in the motor has never been cracked open stock intake manifold and crappy e7 heads.

 

hey compucarnut man ur rite....damn hate 2 say it..hes right

 

Yup, you sure did correct me, your goal in life is now fulfilled for correcting all the retards. Wait, I wasn't even talking directly about a 5.0 mustang, especially when I said in my 3rd post "(not speaking 5.0 specific)" So thanks for going into a rant, when I had clearly said I wasn't talking directly about a 5.0 Stang, but in general terms concerning the whole "no" supporting mods comment.... Truth be known, I used supporting mods in my first post as a loose term to mean "he had other **** done".... then it turned into something else entirely... Congrats dude, You Win!

You win a piece of cake too, since you like cake an all, enjoy:


Seriosuly though, do you even own a Cobalt of some form? Why are you on this forum anyway, considering you are a mustang guy?

 

My V6 Mustang got 24mpg on it's last tank, and my '93 Notch can get 30mpg, too.

I get your point, though. They're apples and oranges for sure

 

why don't you ask the few intelligent souls here that i have helped with mechanical issues/questions. Other than that, im here to call out the people that don't have a clue. btw my supporting mods include a different pulley of some sort. I'm not gonna tell you which pulley is changed, but hey, i guess you can assume it's either a UD crank pulley for an extra 5ish hp or a small blower pulley for an extra 200! and yes, i know. I did win. that's what happens when you make a dumb comment, people ask you what the hell you were talking about and you have no clue.

 

i don't believe that a stock 5.0 with a turbo will run in the 11 sec. quarter even if it is in st. louis. a turbo 5.0 would do well to run 13's. so come on mustang guys to be talking the same old tired ford guy ****. the mustang wins the pony car class by defaut only. there is no magic in the mustang. and 300 hp is about all your gonna get. and with 2.0 and a stage 2 you get 250 hp so let's do the math which one makes the most hp per cubic inch. and anyone can site something they have seen how about what you have and drive everday.

 

I hope you brought your flame suit. I'll be nice about my opinion, but I can't speak to everyone else. Bolded parts in order below:

1. That left a lot of open territory. Turbos are just one part of the whole package. How big is it? What else has been done? We talking about just a turbo thrown onto a basically stock motor, or one with thought put into both the turbo and supporting mods? How much boost are we talking here (You'll need to start beefing up internals at some point)?

2. I'd venture a guess that the same old tired Ford guy **** comes from experience. The mustang wins the pony car class because it's a great car with a great engine, not because it's the only one with a horse on the side.

3. This one's pretty wide open too. Are we talking about 300 HP out of an all-motor setup, or with a turbo/built motor/insert other mods here? I'll go out on a limb and say that 1000 HP out of a 5.0 with a fully-built motor isn't in the realm of insanity. Which scenario were you referring to?

4. Not calling you a ricer, but ricer Hondas make that excuse right after they lose. Stage 2 makes 120 WHP/liter, but is at best a half-second behind an '07 Mustang GT in the 1/4, which makes about 65 BHP/liter. No replacement for displacement. To top it off, the Stage 2 motor is almost maxed because of its injectors, whereas the GT's 4.6L V-8 is roaring along comfortably. If you were talking about the 5.0 specifically, you're comparing cars that were made 20 years apart. The fact that it still poses a threat to a supercharged 4-cylinder made 20 years later is a testament to the kind of car it is.

 

ummmmmm wow... well ill just add my opinion... the 5.0 stock vs a stock ss sc = ss sc winning... but put $2000 in both and the 5.0 will run high 12s.... leaving the ss sc in mid 13s..... the 5.0 n stock form is just way to conservative, but bolt on sum **** and its ready to play..... plus if the 5.0 is a speed density car it sux more.. lol

 

You have no clue what you're talking about

AND

You're a noob for bringing up specific output (HP/L) as if that was a legitimate argument when we're talking about racing.


BTW, turbo 5.0's can only run 13's? And yet stock 5.0's have gone high 13's, bone stock?

I'm pretty sure a quality turbo setup, bolt-ons, gears, etc, can account for a second or two, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe all that stuff is only good for a half-second or so.

Oh, and another note. There was an article in one of the Mustang mags a couple years ago about a turbo 5.0 that someone built that ran 9's in the 1/4... for $5k... including the car.


Actually, the speed density cars are arguably FASTER than the stock MAF cars, as long as we're talking STOCK.

A stock speed density 5.0 went HIGH 13's, bone stock.

But overall, I agree. Stock vs. stock, the SS/SC has a good chance, but start throwing money at them both, and it will get ugly pretty quick. It's nothing against the Cobalt... the Fox Mustang just happen to be one of the cheapest cars to mod... ever.

 

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true dat...... lol u can get nething for that car for under $500... lol (sarcasm)


and thru my experience the speed density car was slower... i pulled 5 cars from a dig stock for stock n my s2k.. but then again the driver wasnt as gud as me or the ohter foxes ive raced..

 

300hp is all you're gonna get? I made well over 500 to the crank before i blew my motor....way over.

 

try this one for size cupcake.

bone stock 5.0 liter in a mark 7. couple turbo's. stock cam, stock heads, stock intake. bigger injectors. water injection.

14 psi.

12.09@114

this car weighs 1k lbs more than a notch back stang. stock suspension{air ride}. drag radials.

300 hp is all you can get out of a 5.0? seriously. where do you get your info from?

a bone stock 5.0 with a couple bolt ons, suspension work, and a little giggle juice can run in the 10's.

 

who cares **** ford

 

5.slows Arent Hard To Beat, But Congrats, Nice To See There Are Some Ford Guys Out There With The ***** To Admit They Got Beat By A Chevy 4 Banger

 

Amen Jimmy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I guess, if that makes you feel better when you lose


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