Is it possible: Fast LSJ?
Senior Member
Joined: 05-26-06
Posts: 641
Likes: 0
From: N/A
Originally Posted by mi6_
Here is my wing thread you were all talking about:
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/general-cobalt-68/ss-sc-high-mount-wing-26507/
It is posted on Chevrolet.com in the pictures of the Cobalt. Just because GM says it reduces wind noise doesn't mean the wing does anything in the way of downforce. The wing is there for show. It doesn't do anything. You really need to be well above 150 MPH before something like that starts giving you noticeable downforce.
The fact that you can order the low-rise spoiler in place of the stock one means it likely doesn't do anything. If it was critical to producing downforce (i.e. making the car stable), GM wouldn't allow you to order the car without it.
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/general-cobalt-68/ss-sc-high-mount-wing-26507/
It is posted on Chevrolet.com in the pictures of the Cobalt. Just because GM says it reduces wind noise doesn't mean the wing does anything in the way of downforce. The wing is there for show. It doesn't do anything. You really need to be well above 150 MPH before something like that starts giving you noticeable downforce.
The fact that you can order the low-rise spoiler in place of the stock one means it likely doesn't do anything. If it was critical to producing downforce (i.e. making the car stable), GM wouldn't allow you to order the car without it.
Senior Member
Platinum Member
Joined: 06-24-05
Posts: 14,265
Likes: 1
From: California
Originally Posted by NoRemorse
I would hardly call it respectful. 1/2 way polite, but in just the way that is completly non-respectful
like "Are there ANY fast RSX's? because all the ones I have seen are really slow, even the really heavily modded ones"
like "Are there ANY fast RSX's? because all the ones I have seen are really slow, even the really heavily modded ones"
Senior Member
Joined: 06-01-05
Posts: 3,622
Likes: 0
From: Miami
Originally Posted by DC52NV
even if he was 1/2 way polite that still does not call for someone to just say the things philly said. to be honest, i wouldn't get upset if someone said that.
not like u care anymore. U got a TL NOW MAN!
quiet j0o! 
Senior Member
Joined: 12-19-05
Posts: 9,704
Likes: 0
From: Raleigh, NC
Although I would love to say my cars faster than an STi... i'd be wrong in a bad way! If you do want a race I have a nice Evo 8 up here that'd love a shot at ya! Come on up to Missouri I'll let ya spank me... than watch you get spanked by my friend!!! 
By the way love the car!
By the way love the car!
Originally Posted by NGalaxyTimmyo
I'm with Bryan. If you want a race in MI, make sure I'm there too. but other then that, sorry. It seems to me that a lot of the fastest LSJs are around this area of the states. MI, OH, and IN. but thats just the way it seems to me.
*moves to MI*
Senior Member
Joined: 08-13-05
Posts: 5,733
Likes: 1
From: the glove
Originally Posted by Pyros777
Oddly enough thats also where most of the fastest S/Ced L61 J-bodies live as well.
*moves to MI*
*moves to MI*
There was a thread some time ago on J-body.org that featured a bunch of boosted J's, and if I'm not mistaken they were from MI. I'm trying to find it. There are some pretty SICK looking J's out there.
Senior Member
Joined: 03-05-06
Posts: 609
Likes: 0
From: Northern NJ
Mr. STi man... i love the STi so i am not gonna bash you and you seem very mature, much more mature then some of the racers i;ve come across recently.. anyways, i salute you to coming on these forums and acting respectfully - i hope you come across some of our LSJs with serious power (hopefully twin charged by next year or so) and i hope you both race your hearts out
your cobalt bud
jon
your cobalt bud
jon
Senior Member
Joined: 03-30-06
Posts: 5,489
Likes: 0
From: Chandler, AZ
Originally Posted by mi6_
LMFAO.... 
Nice ricer science there pal!!!!
An Indy car weighs about 1800 lbs. A Cobalt SS/SC weighs 2925 lbs! The Indy car is capable of producing almost double its own weight in downforce due to both front and rear wings and underbody trays. The tiny area of wing we have on the SS/SC would barely make 100 lbs of downforce at 150 MPH, so it is barely significant (that is assuming it generates anything). Most 2500-4500 lb vehicles do not experience any significant lift until they reach about 130 MPH.
Trust me, I have been a racing fan my whole life, and have intimate knowledge and understanding of how aerodynamics work on an open wheel car. I have watched Formula 1 my whole life, home of the most advance vehicle aerodynamics in the world. A POS fiberglass wing at a 5% angle with maybe 2.5 square feet of area will not produce any significant downforce on a car that weighs 3000 lbs!
I bet you a Cobalt SS/SC would lap any track faster without that POS on it, just because of the weight savings. If you think that does anything for you, you should get your head examined pal! If the wing did anything, GM would have a big disclaimer in the owners manual instructing owners to never remove the wing under any circumstances!
Oh by the way, an Indy car woulod never run double it's weight in downforce. The run maybe 500-800 lbs of downforce. That is what keeps them on the road, but allows the car to still obtain 240+ MPH. With full downforce, they would barely do 180 MPH!
Nice ricer science there pal!!!!An Indy car weighs about 1800 lbs. A Cobalt SS/SC weighs 2925 lbs! The Indy car is capable of producing almost double its own weight in downforce due to both front and rear wings and underbody trays. The tiny area of wing we have on the SS/SC would barely make 100 lbs of downforce at 150 MPH, so it is barely significant (that is assuming it generates anything). Most 2500-4500 lb vehicles do not experience any significant lift until they reach about 130 MPH.
Trust me, I have been a racing fan my whole life, and have intimate knowledge and understanding of how aerodynamics work on an open wheel car. I have watched Formula 1 my whole life, home of the most advance vehicle aerodynamics in the world. A POS fiberglass wing at a 5% angle with maybe 2.5 square feet of area will not produce any significant downforce on a car that weighs 3000 lbs!
I bet you a Cobalt SS/SC would lap any track faster without that POS on it, just because of the weight savings. If you think that does anything for you, you should get your head examined pal! If the wing did anything, GM would have a big disclaimer in the owners manual instructing owners to never remove the wing under any circumstances!
Oh by the way, an Indy car woulod never run double it's weight in downforce. The run maybe 500-800 lbs of downforce. That is what keeps them on the road, but allows the car to still obtain 240+ MPH. With full downforce, they would barely do 180 MPH!
Also, in a road test in one of the car mags where they did 1 mile runs from a dig - when they let off the gas at the end of the mile, the car generated over 1g in deceleration force...without touching the brakes.
Member
Joined: 02-26-06
Posts: 361
Likes: 0
From: New York
Originally Posted by 2006STI365
so im assuming your car is not fast enough to keep up?
....typical cobalt owner
....typical cobalt owner
Ok cobalt: your car is slow as ****
sti: your car is ugly as **** with 4 doors
wtf cant we just have one thread without ppl starting
Originally Posted by 2006STI365
thanks.
Again, I am not picking on cars. I have to come to see how far the cobalt can be modded and what kind of track times it can see. Simple.
Since your car is 10K cheaper, should i compare it to a dodge neon, i hate skittles
Again, I am not picking on cars. I have to come to see how far the cobalt can be modded and what kind of track times it can see. Simple.
Since your car is 10K cheaper, should i compare it to a dodge neon, i hate skittles
thats the best post i've seen on this site ever.
Senior Member
Joined: 09-01-05
Posts: 1,589
Likes: 0
From: Canada
Originally Posted by Tomtwtwtw
The downforce varies by track - on shorter tracks where cornering is emphasized more than straightaway speed, the cars can have downforce in excess of 4000 lb. Hence the ability to pull several g-forces in those turns.
Also, in a road test in one of the car mags where they did 1 mile runs from a dig - when they let off the gas at the end of the mile, the car generated over 1g in deceleration force...without touching the brakes.
Also, in a road test in one of the car mags where they did 1 mile runs from a dig - when they let off the gas at the end of the mile, the car generated over 1g in deceleration force...without touching the brakes.
Second, no open wheel race car including an Indy car produces 4,000 lbs of downforce. If it did, it wouldn't go much faster than 100 MPH. A Formula 1 car (fastest road circuit cars in the world) weigh 605 Kg with a driver. At maximum, they make about 1300 Kg of downforce. They are able to corner in excess of 4 lateral g's, accelerate at up to 3.5 g's and exceed 5 g's under braking. A F1 car is capable of accelerating from 0-100-0MPH in 6 seconds. They will go around a road course way quicker than a CHAMPCAR would. An F1 car in full downforce wings produces about 1300 Kg's of downforce and is only to obtain about 180 MPH with their 900 HP 3.0L V10s (now 2.4L 750 HP V8s).
INDY cars are built more for top speed than high cornering loads. That is why they obtain such high speeds (240+ MPH). They are the fastest open wheel race cars (in terms of top speed). With banked cornering and wide turns, they need to run very little downforce compared to a Formula 1 car or a CHAMPCAR who would run on a road coarse.
A car weighing about 1400 lbs producing 4,000 lbs of downforce would need about 1500 HP to reach 200 MPH. None of the current regulations in CHAMPCAR, IRL, or Formula 1 allow an open wheel race car to run anywhere near 4,000 lbs of downforce.
Also, in terms of sheer speed, a Top Fuel dragster would be the fastest cars. They are capable of running mid-4 second quarter miles at well over 300 MPH. The driver's experience 4.5 g's of acceleration when leaving the box, and pull up to 6 g's of deceleration when the release their drag parachute and begine to slow down.
Senior Member
Joined: 08-13-05
Posts: 5,733
Likes: 1
From: the glove
Originally Posted by mi6_
First off an INDY (IRL) car runs almost entirely on ovals. They run on banked corners and do not need much downforce, hence they only run 600-800 lbs of downforce depending on the track. CHAMPCAR runs mostly on road circuits and a few ovals. They run much more downforce typically than an INDY car would run. Six years ago, CART existed before it broke apart into the IRL and CHAMAPCAR.
Second, no open wheel race car including an Indy car produces 4,000 lbs of downforce. If it did, it wouldn't go much faster than 100 MPH. A Formula 1 car (fastest road circuit cars in the world) weigh 605 Kg with a driver. At maximum, they make about 1300 Kg of downforce. They are able to corner in excess of 4 lateral g's, accelerate at up to 3.5 g's and exceed 5 g's under braking. A F1 car is capable of accelerating from 0-100-0MPH in 6 seconds. They will go around a road course way quicker than a CHAMPCAR would. An F1 car in full downforce wings produces about 1300 Kg's of downforce and is only to obtain about 180 MPH with their 900 HP 3.0L V10s (now 2.4L 750 HP V8s).
INDY cars are built more for top speed than high cornering loads. That is why they obtain such high speeds (240+ MPH). They are the fastest open wheel race cars (in terms of top speed). With banked cornering and wide turns, they need to run very little downforce compared to a Formula 1 car or a CHAMPCAR who would run on a road coarse.
A car weighing about 1400 lbs producing 4,000 lbs of downforce would need about 1500 HP to reach 200 MPH. None of the current regulations in CHAMPCAR, IRL, or Formula 1 allow an open wheel race car to run anywhere near 4,000 lbs of downforce.
Also, in terms of sheer speed, a Top Fuel dragster would be the fastest cars. They are capable of running mid-4 second quarter miles at well over 300 MPH. The driver's experience 4.5 g's of acceleration when leaving the box, and pull up to 6 g's of
deceleration when the release their drag parachute and begine to slow down.
Second, no open wheel race car including an Indy car produces 4,000 lbs of downforce. If it did, it wouldn't go much faster than 100 MPH. A Formula 1 car (fastest road circuit cars in the world) weigh 605 Kg with a driver. At maximum, they make about 1300 Kg of downforce. They are able to corner in excess of 4 lateral g's, accelerate at up to 3.5 g's and exceed 5 g's under braking. A F1 car is capable of accelerating from 0-100-0MPH in 6 seconds. They will go around a road course way quicker than a CHAMPCAR would. An F1 car in full downforce wings produces about 1300 Kg's of downforce and is only to obtain about 180 MPH with their 900 HP 3.0L V10s (now 2.4L 750 HP V8s).
INDY cars are built more for top speed than high cornering loads. That is why they obtain such high speeds (240+ MPH). They are the fastest open wheel race cars (in terms of top speed). With banked cornering and wide turns, they need to run very little downforce compared to a Formula 1 car or a CHAMPCAR who would run on a road coarse.
A car weighing about 1400 lbs producing 4,000 lbs of downforce would need about 1500 HP to reach 200 MPH. None of the current regulations in CHAMPCAR, IRL, or Formula 1 allow an open wheel race car to run anywhere near 4,000 lbs of downforce.
Also, in terms of sheer speed, a Top Fuel dragster would be the fastest cars. They are capable of running mid-4 second quarter miles at well over 300 MPH. The driver's experience 4.5 g's of acceleration when leaving the box, and pull up to 6 g's of
deceleration when the release their drag parachute and begine to slow down.
