Originally Posted by lil_kano

aww man i hope after that you feel better that you own that car... caz apparently kids these days just buy cars to drag at every stop light they come to... oh and brag about how much power they get for the price of their car... and their all forged motor.

you just proved that you know absolutely nothing about cars... because when you go and buy a car all you shop for is how fast it can go down a track...or as in your words from a stop light...

iirc i dont remember anyone raving over the "csrt4." not saying that the r32 is anything great of the lot but then again that can be argued about many cars. if thats all you can argue is that then you my friend have a lot of growing up to do.

infact you sound just like every other person that owns a "cstr4."

and then everyone wonders why a srt4 owner would ever sell their car and get anything else...

oh and you definitely need to learn to get your facts straight about different cars because ive seen nothing but a stupid ignorant argument from with nothing about actual fact but what you have supposedly seen or your friend...

Originally Posted by 2fastSS

to tell you the honest truth, the neon srt 4, or the caliber srt 4 are sport economy cars just like the ss/sc and the ss/tc no offense to anyone who drives one cuz I used to own one also.... Their in a affordable price range that alot of people can afford making them the easiest choice of car for alot of people, but I can bet you this right now the R32 is a car that is in a league of its own with evo's and sti's....

You dont see evos and stis being affordable to mod and not every kid can afford them either...So let me ask you this....

why do kids buy evos and stis?? Let me just name a few reasons, modability, the name brand of the car, AWD beats fwd, its capable to do anything from off roading to driving in snow to gravel to driving on any service without a hint of a problem...

So why awd? It is a platform that solves alot of damn problems lets just say that in the least, there is a reason alot of people call fwd cars wrong wheel drive cars because fwd sucks big ***** and that isnt a damn lie... Yes you can drive pretty damn normal with having some snow tires on your neon or caliber but if you honestly think that compares by any imagination to any awd car then you need to get a grip on life and go drive one yourself before you start talking your ****

The R32 in itself is a 250 hp V6, awd and honestly alot of people buy the car because of the exhaust note alone... It sounds better than any evo or sti or any damn fwd car out there on the market... The car is excellent in fit and finish, but when i say fit and finish im not talking about the damn paint or the seats in the inside, it goes to an extent much larger than that haha... theres a damn reason why the cars last upwards of 100,000 miles with very little maintenance to the car, the car stays the same it doesnt get those ugly squeeks and rattles any economy 4 door american car now a days gets which is the honest truth and yall know its true... After that many damn miles it still is as solid as the first day that you buy it...

Now with that said, it beats every car below its price tag in the turns or on autocrossing courses, and also beats alot of cars that are heavily modified with suspension mods with that car still being stock, to tell you the truth it is also decently quick considering its an awd N/A engine.... You do some mods on this car and it wakes it right up... You think your 4 banger is fast, the turbo kits on these cars alone run them upwards of 500 hp let alone the torque is usually exceeding hp numbers.... O did i mention thats without touching internals?? Yes stock internals of 500 hp safely!!!!

so lets talk some numbers here, you say well im buying a 19,000 dollar car for the dodge and the R32 for 25-30 grand and i put 5-6 grand of mods into the car.... whereas you pay both the cars off...

Now 3 years down the road that 19,000 dollar car isnt worth but what 9 grand?? And thats no bullshit for facts its the same thing alot of ss/sc owners are facing right now... thats a 10,000 dollar deficit, where the R32 only looses maybe 3-4 grand.... 4 years old they go for 26-28 thousand dollars still... I know this cuz i have been chasing down this car for a long time

Your down 16 grand with the deficit to your car, where the VW is down 10 at the most?? And that goes to show that every year it gets worse for the american car owner where the VW goes down maybe a 1,000 bucks per year haha look up your 2004 r32 right now if you dont mind... their still going for 20,000 dollars for a 2004 with 50-80 thousand miles on them.....

so why buy a r32?? Honestly if your to damn stupid to realize it by now then maybe your not a car guy or are just to damn small minded to realize that there are other cars out there on the market that can compete mind you beat you in your own game

Originally Posted by 2fastSS

lol have you ran at the track yet?? Or is this your alleged beatings from 35 rolls??

Originally Posted by 1badss/sc1

I killed a:

G8 GT with a 6.0l by about 4 car lengths
Fully bolted NSRT4 with ~320 whp by about 2 car lengths ( up to 90 mph from a 40 roll )
Neck and neck with a turbo upgraded STI from 60-120. He ran out of gears so he quit. I would have pulled him in 5th.

^This was all in the past week. The CSRT is PLENTY to rave about. The magazines dont get that.




DO u realize u dont own a ******* corvette? U want resale, GET A ******* Z06 or hell a base model corvette. THOSE haev resale values, not ur goofy ass twistie box. Wow, ur a dumb ****.

U own a sport compact like the rest of us.

AND dont u DARE compare ur car to and EVO or an STI. Those cars can run ******* 12's with a tune and bolt ons ( some evo's run 11's ). Ur POS would be lucky to run low 14's.

what sounds nice, and ur faggy "fit and finish" term doesnt mean **** in the sport compact market. Why did u buy a tuner to keep stock? Elaborate for me PLEASE. People buy "tuners" because theyre designed to be MODDED. Ur hunk of **** is a sad excuse of a failed attempt of the Germans to make a tuner. There is NOTHING mod friendly about your car.

And HONESTLY, if all u cared about is suspension performance, you wouldnt have bought that. The kappa platform in the sky and solstice are 10x better than whatever u have in ur VW. Not only is it better, BUT THE ******* STOCK ENGINE CAN MAKE MORE POWER AND GET BETTER GAS MILAGE ( the LNF).

pull ur head out of ur ass and get off your high horse. Just because u paid a HIGH PRICE FOR A NON-MOD FRIENDLY TUNER doesnt mean its better. It just means u got boned in the ass by the medias claims of "foreign is better" because u bought into it like a brain washed monkey.

Originally Posted by 2fastSS

I really wanna know what your talking about here because either I can make you look stupid, or tell you straight out that I dont own a ******* R32 you dumb ass

Lol I have a 3,000 dollar car haha with a on order gt35R turbo kit along with tuning and some other goodies for right around 7 grand... So please how stupid must you look now??

its not our fault your to damn stupid to comprehend what were writing in our posts, and its not our fault that Dodge failed once again by making the joke of a car that is your minivan sure it has a decent engine but do you not realize that with just a tune and very minor bolt ons people have hit 12.9s with the R?? Go do yourself a favor and learn your scene before you start talking ****, or maybe take your car down here and ill spank it with my 3,000 dollar car haha

till then how about you stop racing people from rolls and race them from a dig, because if i recall isnt your car the all out best car in the world... for crying out loud its a damn dodge haha realize there are better cars out there than that piece of **** and by all means the R32 is a better all around car...

Point proven!!!!

Originally Posted by 1badss/sc1

LOLZ. Listen to the **** talker with his 3k pile of crap.

Look. When u can afford something even close to either price range, u can come talk to me. Until then u should STFU with ur little tird junker car .

O, and u still dont know WTF ur talking about. There is NOT ONE VW that will run 12's with just bolt ons. Theyre all slow piles of dog ****.

and talk about **** for resale. Ur hunk of crap 3k car is going to have 7k in mods??! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLZ. Id LOVE to see the resale on that piece

GTFO with ur junkmobile.

Originally Posted by 2fastSS

lmao considering the civic hatch si is one of the most sought after cars haha and I can basically sell the shell alone for 2 grand haha considering that im getting it for dirt cheap from a buddy of mine out in california... Lol I cant afford a 20,000 dollar car you gotta be ******* kidding me bro...

I had an ss/sc along with another car sold both cuz im buying my own place and going to school full time down at jmu haha... Lol why dont you stay living with your parents and pay for your car payment haha

considering that I was going to purchase a 2SS camaro here around this time I decided not to because american cars are iffy as hell right now

and when you think my cars a piece of crap haha wait till you see this 3 thousand dollar car have a better interior than your piece of **** minivan haha, lol oh btw how about you come down here and ill show you a 3 thousand dollar pile of crap that beats up on your grocery getting mini van.... Also ill take my friend with me to show you that there are R32's that run 12s haha

I mean if you want ill even drive up there and come see you haha considering I have family in New York and my brother goes to west point... That is if youll come out and arent all talk and no show

Originally Posted by 2fastSS

lol thats fine tell me a time and place... I have never heard anyone say come talk **** before you can afford a 20,000 dollar car lol... I really hope you sleep good at night, lol because you must have a high ego to think that a 20,000 dollar car is expensive to anyone that isnt 16 years old haha

Originally Posted by 2fastSS

so people buy cheap cars because they cant afford nething else haha?? You must be joking urself right now how old r u kid??

Lol i bought the hatch because I like hatches especially with the gsr motor boosted, or a k20 motor boosted running 11-12s easily...

And quite frankly there arent any good tuner cars out there, their changing emisions here in VA now and a car after 1995 they can regulate so a motor swap cant be detected...

So your telling me that any person who mods up a older car is a ricer and is a poor ****** because they dont wanna buy something new... Bro your in for something else then... Thats what the tuner scene is all about, my next car that im buying here in a few months is a 93 rx7 with a 2jz swap but i guess since its a 93 its a pile of crap...

Lol lets just say this, id rather drive any pile of crap over a pile of crap brand new... The minivan dodge caliber is a pile of crap from the factory... Cant wait till they also go belly up

Originally Posted by 1BADSS/SC

I never said older cars are garbage. I said ur honda civic is garbage, which it is. Its the most basic grocery getter on the market.

why didnt u get a nice 5.0l if u wanted an older car? Those suckers can EASILY our run ur civic down the track with less work. Why the hell u get a ******* civic? Probly cuz youll have a hard time finding a 5.0l in good shape for 3k.

The TUNER scene is about MODDING ur car. Its doesnt ******* matter what year it is. It can be a ******* 1967 mustang GT, to a ******* 2010 porsche 911. What you do to the car is up to you. Thats the point.

So you would rather start off with a garbage platform, and build it? Why not start with an awsome platform, LIKE something that can handle tons of HP without internals. O yea, thats right, that costs more than 3k. Wow dude, just wow.

as for dodge going under, it would hit u right at home *******. You think the local shops around ur area wouldnt be affected? All the suppliers and manufacturers relying on dodge for profits?

U have no clue about the economy. And o yea, my car is still better.

Originally Posted by 2fastSS

Lol yup i have no idea about business but im just a ******* business major dude go ahead and shut the **** up haha.....

Hmm lets see i bet there are plenty of people in this world who would argue with you on the internals of a gsr motor haha... since they can handle 400 hp on stock internals in a less than 2000 pound car... Yah such garbage huh...

Your such a god damn tool bag, go drive your grocery getting mini van

Originally Posted by 1BADSS/SC

O NOES! A BUSINESS MAJOR! Been there done that 2 business degrees later retard. And ur calling my car a grocery getter? HAHAHAHAHAHA

Ur hunk of **** civic hatch is GARBAGE. How come u need a ******* engine swap to run 400 hp? I dont. Hell, I can run well over 570 whp on my stock internals. Can ur 3k **** can do that? I dont think so.

U need a new ******* engine, tranny, etc ( basically a new ******* car ). GTFO of here with ur piece of crap base model econobox thats probly over 10 years old. Garbage. Stop being a cheap bastard and go build a real car that doesnt need a ******* engine swap like a 5.0l, ls1, SRT, etc.

Originally Posted by SpiveyWhiplash

ah this has turned hilarious. i love the one guy that said i don't know anything about cars cause i beat an r32 with a neon. haha funnyyyyy.
the last time i went to the track i got beat by a dodge omni that runs 11.9's day in and day out, anything can beat anything if modded right. I'm just saying i think the R32's are overpriced.
And when it comes to the twisties yes all wheel drive does better, but you still need a good driver and i used to laugh my ass off cause when i used to race through the canyon (before my accident) i used to own STI's through there with a stage 2 balt and nobody believed me until one night a bunch of people came to watch. so thats why i cannot see spending 30 g's on a car i can beat with my car that is 10 g's less. say what you want thats just how i feel

also if when i did rally racing with my cobalt, my first race ever in oregon, it was a smaller rallycross meet and on my third heat i was in first place in the 2wd MODIFIED class (i had no mods at the time except for the ingalls) and i was in the top ten overall including the 4wd modified. Everytime i got back to the pits people were shocked at the times i was putting down. butttt then forty feet from the finish line on my 3rd and final heat i broke the left front spindle knuckle oh well **** happens thats part of racing haha

Originally Posted by scottw03

$32k+ MSRP for a 2008 R32

250 bhp does not equal 250 whp. You are talking about a car with 205 awhp approximately give or take a few ponies. I highly doubt that the 250 hp is at the wheels. Most car companies rate their cars hp at the engine.

http://www.edmunds.com/volkswagen/r3...6b73776167656e

http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62895

Stock whp for MKV R32


Any car can be modded to make power, just depends on how well it takes to mods and how much money you are going to throw at it to make the power. Some people want something that will go around a turn, some don't care because they aren't going around turns.

Some want a cheap fast car, some want a more expensive car.

Some want extra features in their car, some don't care.

Honestly, what the f*ck are we talking about here? We are talking more about how you can take a junker car and turn it into a drag strip queen for less money than a new car, i.e. your crappy honda hatchback that you are going to build up, which by the way good for you, good luck, than the R32.

A cheap car is going to lose more value than a more expensive car. The reason being is that someone that pays $30k for a car is not going to want to let it go at a huge loss. So they hold onto the car until someone is willing to meet their price that they are willing to let the car go for.

The SRT-4 is a cheaper car and because most of the owners sell them within a few years to move on to something else (usually a evo, STi or a more luxury based car, something of that nature, R32 not one of them most of the time) they let the car go for less than they should. Hence bringing down the resale value of the car. Why would someone want to pay $16k for 4.5 year old car (mine) when they could get another of the same type, maybe different color, for $10-12k because the guy 25 miles away is willing to let his go for that price because he is hard up for money or really wants to get that new car.

Supply and demand is what drives value on a car. That is why the Supra is still an expensive car to buy even though they haven't made it in what, 10 years?