Your car flowed a ton more than Drew's did with the SC Tune his flowed 24.6 lbs./min max. My tune flowed about 5.5 lbs/min more so the improvement is consistant at least with what I found.

 

Yes it is.... I saw the same things... about 19-20 psi and very little flow. TO me it felt like it hesitated when I dropped the hammer first.... iunno

 

That is because the airloads at 100% desired torque are like mine at 60% desired torque and all that torque management.

 

Wow. We know a custom tune is better and makes more power. We know that. We are not arguing with you at all. No need to bash SCT.

By the way, are you an HPTuners authorized distributor? Do you have a shop?

Probably not. So why the constant bias against other products.

We get it. Yours makes more power.

 

No this wasn't anything like that.... more a comparo of the SC tune vs. a HPTune

And who are you? I'm not bashing it... more trying to enlighten people about it. YOu with the little tuner cannot see what their tune did I have the software to see what they did and it isn't much...

if you don't like it.... tough but thats what you just paid 350 bucks for

 

I picked up HPT knowing NOTHING of tuning, and with the help of 1badblueberry, Term, and a few others have picked up so much that I am now tuning the car myself without having to ask many questions. Starting out with a base map, and asking questions can lead you to a badass tune, IMO. I estimate that I am pushing about 280-290 at the wheels, and I am completely stock with the exception of the tune. For the extra $150, and the power you get from it, along with the scanning capabilities, I would choose HPT any day.

 

I can most definitely break them loose in 2nd and it buries on 22psi and stays there, it hits 20 as soon as you hit the throttle


and to even say its "not much different than stock" is laughable... it may not be in terms of cam profile changes, torque management, etc. but in actually pulling there is no comparing, its a lot faster than stock

I think everyone here agrees its no dyno tune but its also not a terrible waste, especially if no tuners are in your area... right now its stock, wait for GM to get the kit out(good luck with that), or this...

 

I'd be the first to admit that the HP tune is better in the hands of someone that knows what they are doing. You obviously know what you are doing.

The guy that installed the SCT in his car liked it alot, still likes it in fact after getting an HP Tune by Term.

And if the $350 I paid gives me 280/305 like drewbroo's did, I would be happy.

I was just getting sick of waiting for the GM Stage Kit, so I am gonna screw around with this for a little bit.

Also, since you seem to be extremely knowledgable about tuning and the like, have you logged any of Vince's Trifecta tunes? What is your opinion about them?

 

I have messed with the Trifecta tunes.... they are more aggressive but since they are mail order Vince is stuck at making them a bit more conservative.... 11's AFR's (which for a D/I motor is WAYY to rich), but he does remove torque management, and raises the redline and such...

But I do think it's a better option than nothing... But if you have a good tuner close by... Tunes custom tailored to each individual car is always the best option.

Look I'm not here to bash the product... Just stating facts:

1.) The Desired Air Load tables are minimal improvements at best.
2.) Fueling Changes are too rich for the changes made.
3.) Stock Timing Maps
4.) Stock MAF tables
5.) No Torque Management Removals


Which are all things that any good tuner changes first when doing tunes.

 

Hey did you all know 1BadBlueberry's car is faster? Seriously we get it. Custom tune > Superchips tune. If you want to drive up here and tune my car then shoot I'd be glad to pay for it...if not...then Im stuck with "canned tunes because as far as I know...there aren't any reputable LNF tuners in my area..and that's the same problem a lot of us are having. I don't have time to learn HPTuners. So like I said, If you can get your custom tune to my door that would be great..if not then quit bashing my mediocre canned tune.

 

I am thinking about (when I get my car) to get trifecta tune.. there is a local distributor of them near me (25 min away) - now he is going to tune my car... so would that be considered a custom tune? The trifecta tune.. how do they tune it.. does this guy use hptuners? or what

 

WOW... you guys get butthurt to quickly. I was actually answering someone else's question.... if you don't like the answers don't ask.

 

can you answer mine


and from what i just read... even tho there are dealers (trifecta authorized dealers) around the country.. vince does all the tuning.

what does vince use to tune it with is what i want to know.. does he use hptuners?

 

1badblueberrysc, you're kinda wasting your time. Trust me, I know all about this battle.

I used to go through all of this back when I was hacking Honda (still do on Hondas) and Mitsubishi ECU's. Many people and I developed stuff that allowed people to make more power for free, but many still opted for the commerical offering. We used to get frustrated by that, but in hindsight now I know a lot more about life and how people think

Obviously HPT isn't homebrew, but the principles on how you use it are the same.

People come to their own conclusions on everything in life, this is no different. As people develop with the car, the canned stuff loses its luster. Especially at the point of which you start changing to bigger snails etc.

 

No, vince actually hacks into the ECMs himself. He is an ex Microsoft software engineer.

 

Nah Vince has hacked and broken the ECM so he tunes it sends it to your car Via the interwebs to the Handheld flasher!

And he does offer updates as new parts or flashes are needed!

 

It is not much different than stock. I think I can say as the first person on here to see what this tune actually does to the ECM that it is indeed very close to stock as far as power is concerned. Sure it has a little more torque than stock but it falls on its face up top compared to even the Hahn PPC tuner at least that canned tune actually does more than increas the airloads 10% over stock. \
The commanded boost is only 17-20 psi. It is actually 20 psi at first and drops to less than 17 at 6K. I know. I have logs to show actual airflow and pressure.

 

As do I my good friend!

 

now if i had hp tuners.. and i wanted you to see the tune.. how does that work in this day of age..? I send you my tune file but how do you know what positive changes to make etc since my car isn't there with u

 

You have to send before and after logs that show MAF flow, A/F, and timing for example. I have done enough tuning on my car to know what works and what does not.

 

Nah not butthurt...just sick of hearing the same record on repeat. Seeing as there are no reputable tuners in my area (and a lot of other people's)...my (our) choices are limited...Superchips, Hahn PPC, or Trifecta. At the time it seemed like EVERYONE had Trifecta, and Superchips had just come onto the market so I figured hey why not...they do great things with a lot of other vehicles. And the Hahn PPC...please..I'm sure it's great but I'm not dropping that kind of cash sorry.

I've been considering getting a Trifecta tune as well and having both and being able to flash back to stock whenever I feel. I would love to learn HPTuners and perhaps now that I have finished college (finally)...I will have time to pick it up and learn...but until then...there are a lot of people in the same boat with limited options and unless you are a travelling tuner...then we are stuck listening to "my tune is better, my tune is better, my tune is better, my tune is better." So you could see why the frustration would ensue. Perhaps via e-mail or PMs or something you could teach me to tune myself. I don't know have any idea how hard it is and I would hate to really mess something up on my new car.

 

I'm not defending anything or any tune, But terminator ......didn't drews car flow alot less than 1badbb's with the SC tune, didn't it also flow less than normal on your tune ?

My car on the gauge hit's 22 psi and hold's 20psi to RL . I'm gunna go out and use the cortex to log MAF#/min and see were it peaks but I've seen 27 #/min before just casually glancing at it. What is stock maf#/min roughtly?

To say the SC tune is like stock is very misleading. It made a big difference in my car. Are there better options out there ....ofcourse ..... SC is prolly on the bottom rung power wise compared to the others, but it's simple to do and can be resold if you make other plans . Plus you can flash it back to stock if needed .

What did drew make at the wheels with the SC tune? 280ish Whp and 300ish WTQ right?

 

 

Correct, his car did show less airflow than 1badbluberry's.

 

Can't argue with results!