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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 07:14 PM
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More changes headed my way, weather permitting I'll log again tomorrow.
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 07:15 PM
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Yea! We need more input! I sent Vince an EZFlash log of a pull today that had some issues.



Yea again!!!
I am going to send more logs tonight too
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 07:18 PM
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just wondering are you guys stating the weather condition with it?
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 07:19 PM
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just wondering are you guys stating the weather condition with it?
its hot here in tucson, it will be cold tonight. Still no issues or codes here.
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 07:21 PM
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So is running full E85 on the LNF "safe"? Do you guys see any long term negative affects from running it?
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by drewbroo
I am going to send more logs tonight too
The more the merrier, glad to hear it!
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 08:12 PM
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Can't wait to get my file! Already bought 10 gallons of E85. Once I receive my file I'll waste the remaining gas (1/4) and pour the E85
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 09:43 PM
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Loaded tonights update on break at work, but it's raining, prob won't get a good log in on the ride home.
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 10:43 PM
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Yeah, it basically evens itself out. Stock turbo=Full E. Bigger turbo=50/50. But this is still new and all that may change, or someone may find a way to tune a bigger turbo on full E in such a way that it doesnt pop a CEL.
Even with Vince's advancements in injector timing, full E will not be practical on big turbos.(without added injectors) The mechanical fuel pump simply will not move enough fuel. In the past, we did not work on a pump upgrade because the injection window was still too short unless we could raise fuel pressure to 3500+ psi. Now that Vince has accessed the injection timing tables, it stands to reason that we need to work on a pump upgrade.
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 10:45 PM
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is that a hint toward a ZZp fuel pump upgrade?? lmao!!
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
Even with Vince's advancements in injector timing, full E will not be practical on big turbos.(without added injectors) The mechanical fuel pump simply will not move enough fuel. In the past, we did not work on a pump upgrade because the injection window was still too short unless we could raise fuel pressure to 3500+ psi. Now that Vince has accessed the injection timing tables, it stands to reason that we need to work on a pump upgrade.
This makes sense. I just never thought anyone would even try to design a higher flowing mechanical pump for the LNF, although that would be nice
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 11:03 PM
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I'd be all for one. Need more flow. In for a group buy.
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo'dSS
is that a hint toward a ZZp fuel pump upgrade?? lmao!!
Actually, no. We have not worked on anything like this, but it would be a great mod.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 12:43 AM
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The bigger injectors coming out on the 2012 models should take care of things...


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Buick Regal Turbo Gets Industry-First Turbo Direct-Injected Engine with Flex-Fuel Capability
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PONTIAC, Mich – The 2011 Buick Regal Turbo is the first direct-injected turbocharged production car capable of running on any blend of gasoline or E85 ethanol, joining more than 5 million flex-fuel models General Motors has produced over the last 15 years.

The turbocharged Ecotec 2.0-liter inline four-cylinder engine that powers the Regal will help GM reach its goal of offering more than 50 percent of its production in flex-fuel models by the end of 2012.

Attendees at the National Ethanol Conference in Phoenix will have the opportunity to drive the Regal and the flex-fuel GMC Terrain during conference breaks today.

Compared to earlier versions of the 2.0-liter Ecotec turbo, GM powertrain engineers have significantly upgraded the new engine to accommodate both E85 and to incorporate refinements.
Since ethanol requires a richer air-fuel mixture than gasoline, flex-fuel engines need higher flow-rate injectors. However, a flex-fuel engine can potentially have any combination of gasoline or up to 85 percent ethanol in the tank, so a sensor in the fuel system measures the blend in real-time. This allows the engine management system to automatically adjust the mixture to provide improved performance and reduced emissions and fuel consumption. Stainless steel fuel lines provide extra corrosion resistance to ensure that the Regal Turbo meets GM’s stringent durability requirements.

In the past, improving power output and reducing fuel consumption and emissions were often conflicting goals. By delivering fuel directly to the combustion chamber, the high-pressure injectors can now provide a more precise mixture for optimum combustion.

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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 01:14 AM
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I did some pulls tonight in my mostly stock sedan (only mod is ZZP AB Mod)

61-100 in 4.8 Seconds on vinces tune
60-100 in 5.0 Flat on another pull

Here is the evidence.

PULL number 1:





PULL number 2:





My altitude is over 3000ft here and I am only running 19.5 max advance up top. Not to shabby for a 99.9% stock setup with just E85 and a tune.

I am going to the dyno this weekend.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by drewbroo
I did some pulls tonight in my mostly stock sedan (only mod is ZZP AB Mod)

61-100 in 4.8 Seconds on vinces tune
60-100 in 5.0 Flat on another pull


My altitude is over 3000ft here and I am only running 19.5 max advance up top. Not to shabby for a 99.9% stock setup with just E85 and a tune.

I am going to the dyno this weekend.
You mf'er youre faster than my bolted and e47 tuned balt
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 01:24 AM
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There are gains to be had by going past 50% E. There is a curve, however, and the majority of the gains are in by that point. For example, you might pick up 25whp by switching from 93 to E50, but only 5whp more by going all the way to E85.
I only picked up 13 WHP from going to 93 to E42.5.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 08ssedan
You mf'er youre faster than my bolted and e47 tuned balt
you should try the sauce then. You want me to put the order in now? I sent steve up with one of my tuning cables.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by drewbroo
you should try the sauce then. You want me to put the order in now? I sent steve up with one of my tuning cables.
Fuggit, just do it
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 08ssedan
Fuggit, just do it
Will do
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 01:35 AM
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I just ordered the corn from Vince. I cannot wait.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 01:36 AM
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Get some more timing in that bish! Nice times though
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by InfraRedline
Get some more timing in that bish! Nice times though
Vince is sending me a few files to mess with with increased timing for the dyno this weekend.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by drewbroo
Will do
Lets burn up my clutch
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 08ssedan
Lets burn up my clutch
my clutch is fine. I now have wheelspin going into 3rd
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