That graph looked great man. You are one legit tuner. I'm definetly getting that VCM suite asap.

 

Btw, arent you still on the stock clutch? Lol

 

amen, hate to say it tho , until I see a PT of any flavor cross the 400HP thresh hold it isn't very appealing.


I am assuming these guys are just running into fueling issues who run these but I haven't seen any numbers relative to ZZP's on any PT kit so far.

Then for them to not have any clue about HPT is kind of humorous at that.


We've got guys at 5800ft altitude dynoing around 320 HP 440 tq + on a conservative tune running conservative timing on e85.(hpt) I just don't see the huge benefit in longer spool times + a bigger turbo if nobody is getting over 425 wheel even on stock fuel 91 octane and above. No base file for HPT is also a huge negative for we HPT fans.

Just such a ridiculous low amount of gain for your dollar without doing proper tuning and a fuel upgrade for any turbo for that matter.

More research and a proper setup will be my ultimate deciding factor.

Tread Stone needs some one to throw the 6262 on ( like me ) and see what she can really do

lol

 

pt?

 

Precision Turbo

 

Well good sir, i invite you go ahead and buy their last kit which has an option for the 6262. Install and tune it yourself please. And i also invite you to do the 5557 and try to get your "zzp numbers". Yes i could have gone with the 6262 but wtf would i want that much power for in my daily driver cobalt? I wouldn't.

you say its a waste of money for the amount of gain you get but to me, going from 310 to potentially 440ish with a turbo kit is pretty good. and the difference between that is, stock turbo is maxed out at that 310hp area (on 91octane), but this PT5557 is go till over 500hp if i wanted it...and again...i dont. The majority of the people in a cobalt daily drive them and arnt looking for your beloved 6262 power. This kit is appealing to the people who want to upgrade their performance orientated economy car to have some fun but keep it driveable.

Id like to know what your "conservative timing" is on the e85 too. cuz i can promise you it isn't 11* like im on. But not worries, ill be doing an Eblend once the weather is nicer and shouldnt have a problem getting 440-450...which i hope is good enough for you lol

 

Yes...but a KY is on the way

 

Umm cmillers pte5857 kit put down down 501whp @30psi

 

thank you

 

Elevation is a factor ..which Frossb is higher elevation. I beleive, and we are using the stock boost controller with this kit .. no secondarys. Which running a aftermarket online will help keep steadier boost.

 

These are very good power #'s for this kit on 91 oct. Throw in some race gas or ethanol mix, and your nearing 500whp easily!

 

And get a lower elevation lol.. hahaha. Frossb likes to be on top of the world hahahaha

 

Kudos for you. I'm one of those types who wants power, but prefers it on a daily driving and not to go too crazy with power.

 

I love the word potential, stop nut swinging I am just asking for real world results ..

Stop acting like I only know " my car " because I am involved with over 25 LNF's in my area.

What I am saying is that kids who get big turbos or any turbo upgrade , no internals, no supporting fuel factors , in my honest opinion is a gigantic waste.


Considering you can get results that aren't too far off of that by just upgrading the fueling on the stock turbo .
Bigger cams to pump the HPFP and some E would net you close to that tiny little base number .


So now every one is nut swinging and getting off on defending a product that has maybe a couple people with a Dyno and CMILLER claiming some somewhat respectable levels and I am being attacked because I said one thing about ZZP the current record HP holders on the LNF , The only comparable product on the market and I am getting little childish nut swingers already on my case .


This forum and some of its members need to grow the **** up and realize people are here for the benefit of everyone else and please stop doubting everything ..

Honestly who gives a **** if it's ZZP , Tread Stone , Synapse , HAHN , INJEN ,

WHO THE **** CARES

Would think more people would want to see more Dyno's on more cars , HOW DARE I MENTION SUCH BLASPHEMY ! I want to see the power band as well , 500 HP for a range of 500 RPM's kicking in at 5500 RPM"s isn't exactly worthy for DD imo.

next.

P.S. Anything under 25* to me in considered mild tune on a stock K04 . Unless you are loosing power with more timing.

 

I'd like to see how long a car would last pushing the stock turbo that hard...prob not long at all. There is a local neon that replaced his internals 3 times due to him maxing out the stock turbo. We can make over 500 on stock internals no prob, we just can't daily it like that. 450whp daily and 500 every now and then will last if you take care of your car...

 

Also princess, I think you're missing the point that any LNF running 91 on the stock K04 won't make any more than ~325whp and due to his elevation, if he were to drop to sea level, I guarantee he'd make 425+whp. If he ran an e blend at sea level with cams, theres no reason he couldn't hit 475whp or even close to 500...

 

Frossbs car is at 3900 and running a very conserve tune on a stock clutch. Running the ko4 to obtain 400whp will mean higher boost and spending more money on other things to achieve this power goal. So therefore just a turbo swap is safer, and is easier to achieve 400whp... The funny facts is its honestly conservative, and elevation and on a stock clutch....

 

Were talking an easy 80 to 100hp increase over a maxed out stock turbo at 400whp mark with the same boost level and fuel. The 50 trim is a great upgrade for 400 to 500whp, no stock turbo could every come close and be reliable with that power figure. Manifold back pressure is greatly reduced with a larger turbo/manifold combo, and this makes the engine much more efficient. And im sure no one will ever complain about turbo lag with this upgrade, because it is barely noticeable....

 

Run the Ko4 on open Boost.....:-)

I just picked up my Kit from Treadstone and will be getting intalled this Thursday/Friday and dyno # soon after and that will be on 93 oct/E85 mix....= E47...Will keep the Boost at around 26.....

 

Does it come with installation instructions?

 

lol yea, its taking it to a local shop to get it professionally installed and dyno tune. I wouldn't mind installing it myself but I just don't have the time, Kid's take allot of time from me now days. lol

 

Were working on some instructions/pointers for installing, but it will not be a step by step, nut and bolt break down, we have a good 30 installation pictures that will help.

 

Those are good numbers for bein conservative now to see what I can make on 28lbs e47

 

looks like ill be the test dummy for the 6262. Ill have a sapre built motor just to see what the stock motor wil run out of first either strength or fuel and the only zzp part on my car is rotated mounts. So since this is treadstone i dont wanna hear it wont last because its not zzp and blah blah. ill be more than happy to purchase the 6262 and test it for treadstone hint hint

 

This is a time I wish I had a "like" button. ^^