so are they out or not?

 

that is the HHR, Solstice, Sky kit.... it will NOT work for the Cobalt, it causes confusion with dealers, because its the same engine... however, it won't work, if it would.............People would already have it on their Cobalts, that kit has been available for a while now

 

that's retarded. Same motor, so those sensors should work, it just has to be that reflash. Has anyone actually tried this kit on a Cobalt, or at least tried the sensors? If by a while, you mean a couple weeks, then sure. CED just got theirs shipped to them as of 27Mar. That's as queer as a football bat, they need to get that **** out! Whatever, I'm not getting it anyway.

How will these different sensors benefit? People are getting 300+ whp with the stock sensors and Synapse got 371. Why are these even needed? Thanks in advance, I'm just trying to learn as much as I can before I start buying parts I don't need :P

 

Based on a previous discussion and research, the stock TMAP's have enough resolution and range for about 24.5 psi (2.7 bar, minus 1 atm). The new TMAP's (made by Bosch apparently for the Alfa Romeo 159) are good out to 28.8 psi (3.0 bar, minus 1 atm). However, even after the Upgrade Kit is installed, users are reporting a max boost of about 23 psi - still hardly enough to peg the stock TMAP limit.

The ECU/PCM calibration needed for the kit is programmed for the 3.0 bar TMAP sensors specifically due to a different transfer function. Based on what Steve (Flash's Owner, a GM engineer) said earlier, the LNF Turbo Upgrade Kit calibration removes the torque cap/limiter and requires the use of 93 octane (since it no longer "learns").

All in all, you're just paying $500+ and labor to keep the powertrain warranty for a power upgrade. Based on what everyone has said about GM and its warranty, I would rather just wait until the warranty is over before doing any mods. GM would gladly void your warranty claiming it was abused/raced even if you had the LNF upgrade kit installed legitimately at a GM dealership.

The 3.0 bar TMAPs also require a hack-job installation. They require a new 4-wire connector but you only use 3 of the wires. One wire is removed/taped back like a ghetto-ized amateur install. The 3.0 bar TMAPs also use only 1 bolt to secure to the intake manifold while the stock TMAPs use 2 bolts each. The instructions even say to tilt the 3.0 bar TMAP slightly in order to start the bolt. Based on my experience with modifications, this is one heck of a hack-job kit for $500+, it almost seems like an afterthought for the LNF.

 

So, the stockers are good for 24.5psi? I don't plan on more than that, thanks for the explanation. I'm not worried about voiding the warranty. The dealership doesn't have to void anything if they don't want to and the ones around me are good about it. Thanks again

 

Crate Engine Depot posted a reply to this forum last night. Go back to post #614. Where do these people get these ideas. If you don't know something for sure please don't say anything. It's statements like this that get people all worked up for no reason at all.

 

yea thats my bad. sorry bout that

 

Accepted. Some of the guys on this forum might have heart failure if they saw that.

 

True. This stage kit is like the biggest deal

 

It would neat to compare the percentage of LNF cars that bought the GM Stage kit.

Kappa GXP/RL Platform-XX%
Cobalt SS Platform- XX%
HHR SS Platform- XX%

If they all came out at the same time I think the Cobalt would reflect the highest percent. I am not saying that because I own a LNF but thats what makes sense to me.

The solstice GXP is an awesome car but for the same money you could buy a very nice C5 corvette even a Z06 and have more room and better mileage. But thats a different topic.

 

I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about. I never said I knew anything about this kit, if you read my posts I'm ASKING. I don't see how that could get anybody worked up at all. I'm just trying to understand this kit. It's replies like this that make me wonder if people can read

 

He is simply saying that the question you're ASKING has been answered over and over again and goes to show that you have not read much of this thread.

It's mentioned all over the place that the 19212670 is NOT for Cobalts. Keep in mind there have been countless posts saying "my dad is this at GM", "my friend at GM said this", "a dealer told me that" and frankly it is getting annoying. Again, you'd know this if you have kept up with the thread.

When the Cobalt upgrade is released, we will have official announcements about it either from CED or GMTunerSource.

 

I was ASKING if anybody bought the sensors from the other kits and used them on their Cobalts with a HP Tuners tune or something, and if it was worth it. I just bought the car a couple weeks ago and I'm trying to learn as much about it as I can before I start spending money on it. So, I couldn't have kept up with this thread because I just got back on the forum after about a year.

 

To answer your question if anybody has bought just the sensors. Not to my knowledge. This came from a guy on another forum but in order to get this sensor you, pretty much, have to turn in an old one. Bosch is keeping a tight control on them. Somewhere back on this forum I gave the GM and Bosch part numbers for the sensors. Havan't heard of anybody trying it. Even if you did manage to score just the sensors they would do you no good without the ECU upgrade which replaces the ECU's whole operating system which I don't think any aftermarket tuners have cracked yet. (I know I'll get some response to that statement.), AND that needs a VIN, the code given INSIDE the upgrade package and I think the dealer number.

 

OK cool, thanks for the info I was wanting.

 

So let me get this straight, according to post 611 - CED states that the flash isn't DEVELOPED yet? Are you kidding me? So what are we all waiting for? A ghost?

 

I am pretty sure CED means it hasn't been released. Developed was probably the wrong choice of words.

 

He better have been using the wrong word!

 

Please don't get down on Tom at CED. He seems to be the only person getting ANY info on this upgrade. And he's trying to get the best info out and correct the bad info posted by the misinformed on this forum.

 

I'm not down on him at all. I just saw his verbiage, and it was alarming.

It DOES say in post 611 that the kit has not been developed yet.

Don

 

No it says the tune has not been developed. The pieces are all the same, GM just hasn't released the tune and possible intake.

 

I am a bit confused...... wouldnt the flash be required for it to have passed emmisions?


And it has already passed that test as shown on the California certificate. Stands to reason that it does exist.

 

It looks like to me they are just waiting for the 2009 to pass the CARB testing as only the 08 had passed it previously.

I expect we will see that up on the CARB site sometime on or before April 11th. They seem to update the site twice a month.

Although even if the kit were available right now, we couldnt get it because GM cant supply enough parts at the moment.

 

For those interested in the history,so far, of the turbo upgrade this link might be interesting

http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/de...o/D-126-23.pdf

ogc you might be onto something. It would stand to reason that if GM had found a problem after the Aug, 2008 certification but before the release for the Cobalt and had to take the time to correct it, maybe the air intake, they would have to recertify the 2008 so why not wait and do the 2009 at the same time. Two birds with one stone. I hope you're right about two cert. dates a month. I don't know if waiting till August is an option.

 

It seems they'd have to go through the CARB process again for MY09 LNF equipped vehicles.