I will believe it when I see it, then my car which is like a tune test mule will be reflashed to stock and GM tuned on the secondary ECU.

 

If you look at the dyno the Hahns gain is 16 hp. It was ran with a catback exhaust thats baseline was 274 before the intake being ran..

 

hahn is expensive too.
gm stage kit stage II might prove to " work " the best though

 

Okay, maybe I'm missing something but those "tests" are not from GMTunerSource. Those are posted increases by each of the companies represented. They were not tested specifically by GMTunerSource, nor were they tested with GM's Stage 1 Tune.

Again, maybe I missed something when I was reading the page but it looks like the guys at GMTS were just giving us some idea of what an intake could produce. Hahn has the highest advertised gain, but who knows how they got to that number.

Don't forget that companies have been advertising incredible gains from basic things for years. K&N used to advertise 15+ gains just from their drop ins but since have reduced it to more accurate numbers. The only way we can be sure of the claims made on any site is if someone actually independently tests them.

 

well said
as per my last post.....

 

My most I have seen from the stage kits with actual dyno results is an HHR stage 1. It put down 284/298 at the wheels. Thats with the claimed 290/whatever torque they promised.

 

^^+2

 

anyone got a part number I can take to the dealership to order the stage kit when it comes out?

 

dreamland

 

Nope. No official news on it yet. So far everything is speculation until they make an official announcement.

 

I'm tired of speculation, I just bought a Cortex...sorry GM I've waited long enough.

 

QFT. I was really excited when I saw the update with those three intake companies. But after I read it I was disappointed that GMTS reported the product manufacturer claims. I believe the Hahn car had dp and exhaust, not just stock with their intake, so their numbers are misleading. GMTS needs to throw each one of those intakes on a stage 1 car and record the results. Then they need to match or beat those numbers with the GMPP intake!

 

anyone taking into account these numbers are to the crank and not to the wheel?

 

I'm leaving for a 2-month Vacation (IN my Cobalt) on June 28th!!! "End of June" ahhhhhhh Why can't it be NOW?

 

except the HHR is rated at 290 and they put down in the 285 range

with 285 at the wheels, that is around 300 at the crank

and honestly, I expect the SS Cobalt to put down 275-285whp... I'm thinking they are probably "under rating" it so its not in competition with the V6 Camaro in power output...

I mean, when you are boasting about your mid-20 mpg 300hp V6, its not cool to have a upper-20s/lower 30s mpg 300 hp I4


which for example is one reason why Camaros and TAs were always "rated" lower than Vettes, to not be direct competition

and I wouldn't really put the HHR in that comparison, I mean its kind of like the sky/Solstice... not really aimed at the "younger" generation like the V6 Camaro and SS Cobalt

 

Seriously... it cant be THAT much different to make this kit for the cobalt if its out for the HHR... maybe they didant want it to SPANK the v6 camaro AND get better mileage... it kinda makes me mad that its not out yet now that i see this thread....

Does the stage 2 kit for the HHR get new charge piping... links to pics?

 

Why does everyone keep comparing this to the V6 Camaro that will exist after 2010?

 

the v6 camaro is out now..?
good enough reason for me!

 

Who cares about the V6 one again?

Given the money and time the car is a better platform to build off of...and it is RWD.

There will be more V6 Camaros in the 10s than Cobalts in a few months, and track wise, the Camaro is no slouch.

The V6 guise is the best handling Camaro.

 

Just gimme the part #.... (as soon as it comes available...PLEASE!)


:-)

 

who cares about the V6? well for one, it will out sell the SS by a good margin(see V6 Mustang compared to GT)... and i'm going to disagree over being the "better" platform... its a base car... it may handle "better" than a SS but its still SLOWER around a damn track... and would get absolutely CRUSHED around a track by a SS Cobalt... not to mention DOWN a drag strip, as the SS Cobalt has the superior suspension, braking system, engine, and weighs about 500 lbs less... fwd is a knock, but with limited slip its no slouch around a track... besides with the modern uneven axles in fwds, the gap of them being the "lacking" platform isn't as large as it used to be... I know my cobalt doesn't have near as much torque steer as my old GTP grand prix had

and the above comparison is if we are talking stock for stock... mod for mod, its NOT going to get any better for the Camaro... a tune and some bolt-ons later... the SS Cobalt is sitting over 300whp and once the fueling issue gets worked out, will be seeing 400+ whp with GT35s.... the Camaro is your typical n/a V6... without boost or some MAJOR internal work, its never going to be "fast"... the engine wasn't designed with boost in mind, you don't just "throw on a turbo"... by the time you forge the engine for boost and buy your turbo or buy your Cams/heads/etc.... you could have a Vette(or a SS Camaro at the least)


it'd be fun to compare a SS Camaro to the SS Cobalt, but you are comparing a $22,000 car to a $32,000 car... one would EXPECT the SS Camaro to be superior... the fact that with the stage kit on the Cobalt it may very well have a $22,000 car knocking on its door, well, that is saying that much more for the Cobalt... as far as all around performance, the Camaro SS went 8:20 around the ring, the SS Cobalt went 8:22... as far as handling is concerned, i'd give the edge to Cobalt since i'd say the straights is where the 426hp Camaro gained those 2 seconds and i'd be willing to bet on a track like Laguna Seca, etc. without straights that stretch almost a half mile, the Cobalt would post BETTER times

with that being said, I plan on paying my car off around the time I top out from my apprenticeship and then... I expect a low mileage used SS Camaro to replace it... as all around its 10Xs a nicer car... but for the price, i'm content with the Cobalt... I mean its a great deal for what you get

I wouldn't even consider a v6 Camaro though, Camaros and V8s just go hand in hand

 

I like your idea of the used Camaro SS in a few years... Bang-for-buck, you're right as well. The Cobalt is hard to match in that category. Depending on the configuration the "Ring" is 11+ miles long. In those LONG eleven miles, 172 turns later with more than a few LONG straights... The Little 'Balt was only 2 seconds behind the V8 beast. That says a LOT for this little car.

So, by the time I get my used SS Camaro...my hair should be JUST long enough to create the obligatory MULLET...

 

...and that was also a stock Cobalt too... *cough*

I'd like to see what one of these tuned ones does around the ring. I wonder how much time it'd pick up.

Not saying we should compare modded vs. stock, but tune only, these things really go and it would be interesting to see what the time was.

 

I wouldn't want to hang by my thumbs waiting for a new V8 Camaro. The V6 narrowly missed the development cutoff for SS and Z cars.

Personally, I'm waiting for the direct injection, VVT, all aluminum V8 with forged innards that it's rumored GM was looking at before the **** hit the fan at GMPD. That's GM Product Development. Imagine two LNF's cast side by side and running through a common crank. 4liter, 520 HP and 30 plus MPG. STOCK!! But they HAVE stated recently that more direct injection is on the horizon.

 

Yeah, DI seems like a win-win... more power and less fuel. There doesn't seem to be a good reason not to.

A dual-LNF excites me... I wonder what that would even sound like...