ZZP Fifth Injector.
As if byt doesn't work out of a garage either? LOL. I don't see your point. Sorry. Again, GET REAL.
Exactly how do you know what experience James does or doesn't have? There has only been 2 people I entrusted my cars tune to, and it runs strong 3 years later, and I don't wait months to get a puny revision
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Get off your high horse.
Exactly how do you know what experience James does or doesn't have? There has only been 2 people I entrusted my cars tune to, and it runs strong 3 years later, and I don't wait months to get a puny revision
.Get off your high horse.
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No honestly i would not if BYT did the same, because i know he def dont have enough experience with it. And either does James. If you knew some of the emails james send out you would not trust everything he says either. He works out of a little garage doing tunes and upgrades for you guys. But he is gods gift to the LSJ and LNF community in all his nutswingers eyes.
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Back on Topic here. I am done with this thread. Go ZZP.
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Back on Topic here. I am done with this thread. Go ZZP.
Like zzp doesn't have nutswingers? They could sell **** in a box as long as they say it adds performance people will buy it. I have zzp parts and will continue to buy zzp parts as long as they keep their prices down and quality up.
Don't meth kits atomize the mixture pre throttle body though? I've never used one... If they do, then isn't that mix evenly distributed as the air entering is?
This 5th injector is on the IM directly right? I can see how 2 and 3 would get saturated more so than 1 and 4 vs a nozzle that is spraying pre TB.
This 5th injector is on the IM directly right? I can see how 2 and 3 would get saturated more so than 1 and 4 vs a nozzle that is spraying pre TB.
Honestly kid i used to own a shop. And by what email are you saying .. because apparently your talking out of your ass. Just because I'm not a vendor doesn't mean i dont know my ****. I've spent countless years learning. I worked with quite a few tuning shops.. does that mean i dont know ****? ..
The Meth question is somthing i asked to Aem back in the day and ally injection systems which is why on the syclones and other ls series I tuned or helped with. We made custom spliters to run 8 injection nozzles..
The Meth question is somthing i asked to Aem back in the day and ally injection systems which is why on the syclones and other ls series I tuned or helped with. We made custom spliters to run 8 injection nozzles..
Honestly kid i used to own a shop. And by what email are you saying .. because apparently your talking out of your ass. Just because I'm not a vendor doesn't mean i dont know my ****. I've spent countless years learning. I worked with quite a few tuning shops.. does that mean i dont know ****? ..
The Meth question is somthing i asked to Aem back in the day and ally injection systems which is why on the syclones and other ls series I tuned or helped with. We made custom spliters to run 8 injection nozzles..
The Meth question is somthing i asked to Aem back in the day and ally injection systems which is why on the syclones and other ls series I tuned or helped with. We made custom spliters to run 8 injection nozzles..
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From: Kathmandu
goes for both LNF and LSJ
-no one makes as much power as zzp
-no one has the track times zzp has
-no one can come close to zzp pricing and bang for the buck
-no one can beat the OEM fit and finish of zzp parts. ryan, matt and the crew put a lot of work into ensuring their parts fit perfectly
-i highly doubt anyone has the dedication that zzp has. at CED 2011, ryan's car had issues. matt drove from chicago to michigan to pick up the lnf car and brought it back to chicago at 3 in the morning just for everyone to see.
-zzp continues to push the envelope and make parts affordable for everyone
-no one makes as much power as zzp
-no one has the track times zzp has
-no one can come close to zzp pricing and bang for the buck
-no one can beat the OEM fit and finish of zzp parts. ryan, matt and the crew put a lot of work into ensuring their parts fit perfectly
-i highly doubt anyone has the dedication that zzp has. at CED 2011, ryan's car had issues. matt drove from chicago to michigan to pick up the lnf car and brought it back to chicago at 3 in the morning just for everyone to see.
-zzp continues to push the envelope and make parts affordable for everyone
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From: Grand Rapids, MI
Don't meth kits atomize the mixture pre throttle body though? I've never used one... If they do, then isn't that mix evenly distributed as the air entering is?
This 5th injector is on the IM directly right? I can see how 2 and 3 would get saturated more so than 1 and 4 vs a nozzle that is spraying pre TB.
This 5th injector is on the IM directly right? I can see how 2 and 3 would get saturated more so than 1 and 4 vs a nozzle that is spraying pre TB.
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Joined: 02-03-08
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From: Port Perry Ontario
goes for both LNF and LSJ
-no one makes as much power as zzp
-no one has the track times zzp has
-no one can come close to zzp pricing and bang for the buck
-no one can beat the OEM fit and finish of zzp parts. ryan, matt and the crew put a lot of work into ensuring their parts fit perfectly
-i highly doubt anyone has the dedication that zzp has. at CED 2011, ryan's car had issues. matt drove from chicago to michigan to pick up the lnf car and brought it back to chicago at 3 in the morning just for everyone to see.
-zzp continues to push the envelope and make parts affordable for everyone
-no one makes as much power as zzp
-no one has the track times zzp has
-no one can come close to zzp pricing and bang for the buck
-no one can beat the OEM fit and finish of zzp parts. ryan, matt and the crew put a lot of work into ensuring their parts fit perfectly
-i highly doubt anyone has the dedication that zzp has. at CED 2011, ryan's car had issues. matt drove from chicago to michigan to pick up the lnf car and brought it back to chicago at 3 in the morning just for everyone to see.
-zzp continues to push the envelope and make parts affordable for everyone
Our kit sprays across the throttle body inlet at the outer most part of the manifold. It mixes as well as meth kits. People need to actually do the math as well. When this kit is designed to provide the last 20% or less of fuel to the motor, it could vary 10% from one cylinder to another and it would only amount to 2% AFR variance. Running on E85, a 2% variance in EFR does not put the motor at risk. Now, considering that the fuel flow does not vary 10%- it is more along the lines of 2-3%, you are looking at .5% variance in AFR from one cylinder to another. This is like going from 10:1 in one cylinder to 10.05:1 in another. Add in the fact that this kit is designed for E85 users, you have a tiny fraction of the risk of knock that any 93 octane user has. So unless people want to go around and preach that running 93 octane is reckless and puts motors at risk, then there is not point in doubting the safety of this 5th injector kit.
So to paraphrase, it sounds like you're saying that yes, this 5th injector does not provide 100% identical fuel to each cylinder but the differences that each cyl sees is so small the concerns are negligible at best...
Out of curiosity, how did you get those results? Was it just math or did one of the tests you mentioned on a previous post about the research you did provide those?
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From: south west of GTA
I will post dyno sheets and such come spring. As for all the bikering, all I can say is oh well. ZZP does work, and does do a lot of r and d. And for any product they put on the market I will buy and continue to make more power and run faster times than the haters. If you look at the people on the site that do drag race and you look at the top three posted times in the last three years its Ryan Matt and me, and for highest power numbers it's Ryan, Matt, ex, schythe snake, the guy with the redline, and me in that order. All of which are 500 plus to the wheels and all done with ZZP parts. I will not get in your guys debate but the proof is there.
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From: Grand Rapids, MI
Lol. Um ok ^^ .. not bickering when there are question that haven't been answered... Saying there are variances per cylinder for fuel is known and it depends on cylindeer health and ect. So it will always be different. Now the variances you have given may be correct for one engine but not to the next.
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From: Grand Rapids, MI
Yes, I said 20% referring to the amount of fuel supplied by this kit in a typical application. In other words, if you are making 600whp, 480 is fueled by the DI injectors and 120 by the 5th injector. Most people won't push that much power, so the demand on this system is even lower. I know you are not too good with numbers, but reading everything I typed above and then posting "lol ok. 20%" makes you look like Beavis and Butthead trying to answer questions in math class. "uh, huh huh W?"
YOU KNOW Matt I understand completly of what you said. But my point i was making was not to you . It's the fact each cylinder variance will be different. Your kit is great, not saying it isn't. I'm just saying to correctly get the correct amount of fuel the cyclinder compression variances need to be close