Lmfao more **** talking .have I once talked about your product talking **** in this thread..... Considering the question I'm asking is a legitimate question about your product. And your not giving any proof that it honestly works reliably other then showing vids or saying I had it on my car for so long or this amount of time. Is not giving any proof it works correctly... My tunes I do take time with and and i do lnt peddle them out.. lol





[QUOTE=Matt M;6287975]The funny things is that we have a guy that pedals tunes that are poorly thought out at best, but comes in here to question the only company doing the R&D and investing enough money to bring high hp LNF potential to the masses at reasonable prices.

 

The question I asked was meant for Matt not any other specific.... The tearing aprt the engine is just a question![/B]

 

Yes, actually you did. When shown a pic of 4 additional injectors, you stated, "That would work a whole lot better then just one...... And in fact if someone did go this way they'd prob never have a fueling issue.." However, you are incorrect in saying this. People running 4 additional injectors have trouble controlling their fueling more often than not. Also, we have done adequate testing and anyone who has faith in ZZP is welcome to purchase our product. It was not intended for you to buy, and I would prefer that you don't, so please move on.

 

this lol... i hope you warrenty their transmissiosn when they fall apart too.

 

I will post dyno sheets and such come spring. As for all the bikering, all I can say is oh well. ZZP does work, and does do a lot of r and d. And for any product they put on the market I will buy and continue to make more power and run faster times than the haters. If you look at the people on the site that do drag race and you look at the top three posted times in the last three years its Ryan Matt and me, and for highest power numbers it's Ryan, Matt, ex, schythe snake, the guy with the redline, and me in that order. All of which are 500 plus to the wheels and all done with ZZP parts. I will not get in your guys debate but the proof is there.

 

Matt. I have yet to see proof ....and I didnt say anything negative about your secondary injection. I said I could see four working better then one. Because it will. Now getting it correctly time based is another story and it can be done.. having faith in a company is somthing I do have. When they have shown proven results other then words..... And since your such a badass that works for zzp and telling other customers not to buy your product which is the ********* thing I've seen. I won't just because it'll more of a hassle dealing with you. And is rather not waste my time nor money.

Thanx
Bye

 

Bwahahah your soooooo funny......hahahah Omg I think i cried laughing at your idiotic comment. im sorry to say, buddy never have issues unlike you prob. [/B]

 

James he is saying that one injector is cheaper and easier to run. Do you think cobalt owners are goin to spend upwards of a grand on a 4 injector setup? No they will spend half that on a one injector setup that does the same thing.

 

lmfao!

zzp just owned you CSS3 ... tooooooooooo funnny!

 

Point taken I get this. Not the issue.... He is saying it works, which it works as you can see. I'm more or less asking have the shown that each cyclinder gets a equal amount of fuel. And all I am getting is non relevant answers... Having one injector isn't gonna do the same as four. Which isn't even my question. I have 4 people texting me if they should buy this and I said yes. if it is getting a close to equal balance of fuel to each cylinder.. I'm not saying don't buy it. I just want safety to be the main concern .. its a great setup and is cheap. Which is badass.... But when customers have concerns for a certain product, they should be given the correct answers.

 

Zzp didn't do **** kid.... What's funny is your lack of reading.[/B]

 

Except I think its you that's had like 10 give oru take a or 2 transmissions in your car and im sure ill hear an excuse that they were faulty or some bs excuse. Where as I've never ever had a clutch job come back a gearset or a transmission come back period. I back every bit of work I do to if something does go wrong. Not to mention I've had two different big turbo setups with over a 100 dyno passes between the 2 not to mention the ones on the stock turbo and road coarse use....same trans that came with the car with a better clutch. Like matt said your medicore at best. You mad? Lol

 

ummm right here buddy!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chevycobaltss3
^^^ now this supports why I can't stand you..your attitude is like a 6 year old who just lost there favorite toy..... Calm your Ass down. Because a single won't be better then a four.. Have you tested the flow of fuel for each intake runner? Have you tested egts to verify each cylinder is getting the correct amount of fuel. I have tuned many cars using secondary injection. So your assuption is honestly bullshit. Putting a single injector into the manifold might give you more fuel. but to which cylinder gets more? Because If you haven't tested tour system out it can be false, it can be unreliable and ****. So I'm sorry to tell yuh, but id rather not blow a engine because of some faulty secondary injection system. And showing a vid of your car going down the track doesn't mean bull. Because we are talking about the correct atomization of fuel and to each cylinder. Not how fast your car can go.

Having one injector in the middle of the mani does not mean fueling for each cylinder will be the same

Having a secondary that runs four with injectors that have been flow tested and are good to go , then that would mean fueling to each cylinder will be closer then runnin one injector. Since the runners will have differwnt flow depending on each cylinder.

You can say what you want... Facts are facts.....

lol, did you even understand what I said about inconsistent fueling between cycles? I'm guessing not since you are claiming that using 4 injectors automatically makes the fueling more accurate.

btw, we tested these systems for over a year. Do you really think we didn't consider the situations that you come up with off the top of your head? Yes, we test egts, as well as individual knock thresholds. I use an oscilloscope to map out the injection timing of the DI injectors as well as hpfp solenoid timing and compare to cam timing, spark lead, etc. We monitor fuel pressure before and after the hpfp and compile pages of data over hundreds of dyno pulls before we decide that a product like this makes the most sense to sell in our market.

Here's a question for you- have you tested the airflow to each individual cylinder on your LNF? If not, how would you know how to scale each injector that you add to the intake runners?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Chevycobaltss3
Now since it is cheap that means it works correctly? Hmmmmm

lol, one could ask the same about your tunes.

 

look at page 3 there .... ......

 

Umm ok.. that owns me how considering there talking **** which is a norm for them........ So this is not owning its called b.s. and since you didn't read on ill except its the fact your on your kn**s right now. And cant fully see what this whole conversation is about...

 

ummm i can clearly read on what there saying......... they made this part to run full e85 instead of a blend set up ....... what dont ya understand??

 

Yep. You def cant read because if you could my question wasn't on what they could run fuel wise but if the single injector provides enough fuel for each cylinder..


derrrrrrrrr

 

w.e *** boy just keep can tuning bro

k thx bye!!!see yaa gayboy!

 

Yeah talk to your *** lover Sean buddy.. since he's the can tuner.. lol shitbrick..

 

So much damn hate

 

I can attest to this as i was one of the 4. so he isn't bashing zzp or trying to disprove it. he is still supporting the idea..just has some (and legitimate) questions. No harm in asking a company questions about their product!

 

so if a customer doesn't care about the COST of the extra fueling kit..........


will the "4 port injector kit" that ZZP showed last year will be better and safer than the "5th injector kit"?



because some customers doesn't really care about the affordability of a product........but the best!

 

in all honesty i feel this is the true way to go IF ITS DONE CORRECTLY.

 

I myself believe it will if money isn't a issue .. this secondary fuel system is great that zzp has made I'm just curious ..

 

I'm not an expert or anything............

I always used 4 port injection even with my previous cars (DSMs and etc)..........and never had a failure.

I know DI is totally different.........

but I still want the 4 port injection, that's why I'm doing it on my project.



I was very INTERESTED with the 4 port injection that ZZP posted last year, but I was disappointed that they didnt make it into production for sale...........but instead went for the single "5th injector kit".

I just wished that ZZP offered two kits for the LNF owners. Others of course would like an affordable kit........but others don't care about the cost.


Anyways, I'm glad that I have their S1 cams that will help with extra fueling!