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Old 09-29-2008, 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by qwikredline
I am trying really really hard to be polite. why f**k with a manifold that isnt engineered that cant possibly work for a car that is already obsoleted by the LNF? I dont get it refine what you have enjoy it and if you want more go tune an LNF for 200 bucks and get 300 hp without trying...

Some people like superchargers.
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Old 09-29-2008, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by BoostedYards86
LS1 thats an awesome design... but it still might be too thick to fit in the space it needs to be in.
it's rebels design, and i'm pretty sure they did some measurements.

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Some people like superchargers.
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Old 09-29-2008, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by qwikredline
I am trying really really hard to be polite. why f**k with a manifold that isnt engineered that cant possibly work for a car that is already obsoleted by the LNF? I dont get it refine what you have enjoy it and if you want more go tune an LNF for 200 bucks and get 300 hp without trying...
Could it possibly be because some of us don't have money to waste and/or aren't wanting to trade and finace another car? Maybe, just maybe....
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Old 09-29-2008, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by WickedSS2005
Could it possibly be because some of us don't have money to waste and/or aren't wanting to trade and finace another car? Maybe, just maybe....
x2, I'd lose atleast 5k+ selling my '07 for an '09 right now. It'd probably end up being around 7 or 8k difference atleast actually...
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Old 09-29-2008, 08:00 AM
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i just like the supercharger...
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Old 09-29-2008, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MidnightNB
x2, I'd lose atleast 5k+ selling my '07 for an '09 right now. It'd probably end up being around 7 or 8k difference atleast actually...
10-4 on no money to waste i am in the same position, so t why f**k with a totally new inlet manifold when the exhaust port is the cork? Spend money for little or no gain? hmmm.

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Good idea, hey can you give me the 19,000 minimum it cost for one of those cars with that engine in it already?

Or should I possibly keep my redline, thats payed off, and maybe try and get the same, or possibly more HP out of it than the LNF?

The LSJ is more than capable of 300WHP, if the intake wasnt holding it back........
ok show me the data that the inlet manifold holds it back. I have data that says the exhaust port is the cork, that heat is the long term issue with hp backing off, and that 300 + hp is possible with mods WITHOUT with making a new inlet manifold which is a gigantic mission like flying to the moon....
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Old 09-29-2008, 09:33 AM
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yeah, if you want more flow through the intake manifold, just port and polish it. Several people on this board are allready doing that.
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Originally Posted by qwikredline
I am trying really really hard to be polite. why f**k with a manifold that isnt engineered that cant possibly work for a car that is already obsoleted by the LNF? I dont get it refine what you have enjoy it and if you want more go tune an LNF for 200 bucks and get 300 hp without trying...
Why do people f**k with RB-series, 2JZ-GTE, DSM's, B-Series Honda's, etc, etc???? Because clearly most of those engines have been eclipsed by the new offerings. Gosh....why dont people just go get new cars with the new engines....because CLEARLY modding the "old" hardware will just get you NOWHERE

^^Yeah...that was sarcasm..

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10-4 on no money to waste i am in the same position, so t why f**k with a totally new inlet manifold when the exhaust port is the cork? Spend money for little or no gain? hmmm.
Because the air distribution in the intake manifold is very bad. A cleaner design would make a big difference. This has all been covered in great detail by a few members and a few vendors in the past.

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ok show me the data that the inlet manifold holds it back. I have data that says the exhaust port is the cork, that heat is the long term issue with hp backing off, and that 300 + hp is possible with mods WITHOUT with making a new inlet manifold which is a gigantic mission like flying to the moon....
The exhaust port is part of the problem with overall power output.....and anyone that has downloaded the build books "has the data"
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by qwikredline
and that 300 + hp is possible with mods WITHOUT with making a new inlet manifold which is a gigantic mission like flying to the moon....
I think a gnoramus mission would be to try to remove your head from URANUS! lol

I'm totally joking and you know that.

You make a good point. But I don't think anyone has come out and said that they think the Intake manifold is the most restrictive part of the entire "breathing system" in the LSJ. We know the exhaust ports are the most restrictive part. But we also know that the IM could use some improvement.

Baby steps man.

You have been cranky lately. You sound like I did on RLFs like 2 months ago. Maybe its time for a little break from the forums. It helped me….
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ebristol
Ok. To date.

One person w/ ported IM = less boost

One person w/ ported IM = more boost

But there are other factors to consider...

Pulley size?
Alinment of the Laminova Cores?
Ported Super Charger?
Intake?
Exhaust restrictions?

They all could play a role on the final results.
Used a 3.1, 2.9 and 2.8 on the practical tests. On the lab tests, I varied the flow and pressure.
Alignment of cores... um... properly. There is only one way to put them in.
Ported SC (in and out), Rebel 3" intake, modified pacesetter header, custom DP, magnaflow CB.

It drops.... trust me. All of my tests said it dropped. Basic flow and thermo dynamics says it drops.
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Originally Posted by Omega_5
Used a 3.1, 2.9 and 2.8 on the practical tests. On the lab tests, I varied the flow and pressure.
Alignment of cores... um... properly. There is only one way to put them in.
Ported SC (in and out), Rebel 3" intake, modified pacesetter header, custom DP, magnaflow CB.

It drops.... trust me. All of my tests said it dropped. Basic flow and thermo dynamics says it drops.
Very interesting.

What about your IAT2 Temps?
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ebristol
Very interesting.

What about your IAT2 Temps?
Dropped... as expected.
More IAT drops with a 3.1, then with the 2.9 and 2.8, of course... as the air no longer has as much cooling time near the laminovas. However, less pre-core pressure results in less initial heating.
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Old 09-29-2008, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by csementuh
STS2/SS, soo how soon can I expect you to start selling your design..? I would be interested in one of these babies...
IM me and I'll call you. I'de love to help.
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Old 09-29-2008, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BoostedYards86
LS1 thats an awesome design... but it still might be too thick to fit in the space it needs to be in.
it appears to be the same size as the stock unit
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:52 PM
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thats exactly the reason why our aftermarket is the way it is, 1 billion ***** demand the product, but only like 3 buy anything. it's not cost effective for them to make anything expensive for the lsj market, besides the fact it's a dead motor now.
Bull ******* ****!!! The 1450 hp ecotec motor uses an LSJ head. Thats enough to consider it still alive!
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Old 10-01-2008, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jimbos'ss
thats exactly the reason why our aftermarket is the way it is, 1 billion ***** demand the product, but only like 3 buy anything. it's not cost effective for them to make anything expensive for the lsj market, besides the fact it's a dead motor now.
dead motor my ass
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Old 10-01-2008, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Blown 4-banger
Bull ******* ****!!! The 1450 hp ecotec motor uses an LSJ head. Thats enough to consider it still alive!
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dead motor my ass
Never mind comments like that.
No longer production doesn't mean dead.

That's like saying the 4G63 is dead....
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Old 10-01-2008, 12:20 PM
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How is that manifold even doing anything at all? There is no way for the air to flow through the aftercooler, it looks like it simply just passes by it
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Old 10-01-2008, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rangerondubz
How is that manifold even doing anything at all? There is no way for the air to flow through the aftercooler, it looks like it simply just passes by it
Which manifold?
The orange one, or rebels?
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Old 10-01-2008, 12:25 PM
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The orange one, I could be wrong but how is that even working?
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Originally Posted by Rangerondubz
The orange one, I could be wrong but how is that even working?


I still think the turn around is a bit steep, though.
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Old 10-01-2008, 12:32 PM
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Ahhh I see, I didnt know he has it custom split in there
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Old 10-01-2008, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Omega_5
Never mind comments like that.
No longer production doesn't mean dead.

That's like saying the 4G63 is dead....
Yeah, the smallblock chevy is dead, too!
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Yeah, the smallblock chevy is dead, too!
^^^Can't forget the 2JZ... It's dead as a door knob.
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cant forget about those ls1's they are a dead motor to
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