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Aug 3, 2011 | 10:18 AM

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i won't get into that debate with you because you've shown your lack of knowledge in the area plenty of times

Ok well then school me! So what you're saying is there are turbo setups outhere with ZERO boost lag? You claim to know something about me, so then you would know that I admit when I am proven wrong. So.... prove me wrong. And I've only got in a big debate (on css.net) and been proven wrong ONE time. If I got one thing wrong and that, to you, proves my lack of knowledge because of ONE time/ ONE debate (about how our IC system operates) then whatever, prove me wrong.

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Aug 3, 2011 | 10:24 AM

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I'm sorry, but I have to agree with this....

No one ever wants to build the motor up correctly from the start with these larger blowers (TVS & Twinscrew options). Yes, you can make decent power on a stock block and head with some tuning knowledge & the proper octane but.... for all out power you will need to get into some engine work. If I were to purchase one of these blowers, I would build my engine first following the GM LSJ build book. Then I would slap the blower on, get it tuned, and enjoy.

the build book is a decent guide but it leaves alot of information out and things just dont fit together quite like it does either

Aug 3, 2011 | 10:24 AM

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Not to stir the pot but he does have a valid point. The EFR's will give you almost instant boost response, and full boost, not revving higher and higher to get full boost and power.

Aug 3, 2011 | 10:28 AM

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I understand that. But is there almost no lag or is there actually zero lag?

Aug 3, 2011 | 10:39 AM

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Live life on the edge!

Aug 3, 2011 | 10:47 AM

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I understand that. But is there almost no lag or is there actually zero lag?

When a SC boosts instantly, it doesnt make peak power instantly, right? A turbo setup will make a lot more power and tq a lot faster, but they serve different purposes for different needs. So no need to compare the 2. People are after SC for a different reason people are after Turbo Setups. Im just agreeing with self that the myth about waiting for boost and **** like that is just that, a myth. A properly sized turbo will respond immediately.

Still in for the graphs

Aug 3, 2011 | 11:09 AM

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When a SC boosts instantly, it doesnt make peak power instantly, right? A turbo setup will make a lot more power and tq a lot faster, but they serve different purposes for different needs. So no need to compare the 2. People are after SC for a different reason people are after Turbo Setups. Im just agreeing with self that the myth about waiting for boost and **** like that is just that, a myth. A properly sized turbo will respond immediately.

Still in for the graphs

This was my point exactly. I agree with you 100%. It's just that self was saying differently. He says that there are turbo setups with NO lag and there is basically no point in having an SC now days. I understand that a turbo can make power down low and in some cases even more power faster than an SC, BUT, there is still some(even if only a little) lag right?

Aug 3, 2011 | 11:16 AM

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really depends on the setup, but there can be no lag. there has been several cars we did that as soon as you go WOT, boost and power immediately come up.

Aug 3, 2011 | 11:17 AM

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hmmmm interesting. And yes I am still in for graphs

Aug 3, 2011 | 01:09 PM

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Live life on the edge!

what im gona do. Run the **** out of her on the stock block, if she blows goodies time

Aug 3, 2011 | 01:38 PM

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Aug 3, 2011 | 01:39 PM

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the build book is a decent guide but it leaves alot of information out and things just dont fit together quite like it does either

I know it does....

I'm in the process of working on my engine, and there are def things left out in the build book.

It is def a great guide though.

Aug 3, 2011 | 02:44 PM

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technically speaking "lag" is the time from when you hit the throttle from the time the turbo is providing boost, so in that exact format, even a supercharger has "lag". now with the opportunity squashed to use a technicality on me, i will refer to BYT's information, he says exactly what needed to be listed.

Aug 3, 2011 | 02:48 PM

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^^^come on of course theres turbo and s.c lag if u look at it that way! full boost is whats important

Aug 3, 2011 | 05:06 PM

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We all know Turbos having gotten a lot less laggy but they still can't touch a Supercharger.

Supercharger boost is instant and travels about 6" to the head.

Turbocharger boost is slower and has to travel several feet to get from the Turbo outlet to the head.

I think that was one of contributing factors to the failure of an A/A setup on the LSJ using a blower.

And why are we still arguing about this? lol

Aug 3, 2011 | 06:07 PM

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I just cant wait to see some results!

Aug 3, 2011 | 06:44 PM

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Mp90 is going to be back on the rollers next week if anyone still remember that blower :p

woooo

and back to you 1600ax!

Aug 3, 2011 | 06:57 PM

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There's no such thing as an MP90 blower. Only an M90. Since this thread is full of arguing. Lol.

Aug 3, 2011 | 07:01 PM

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There's no such thing as an MP90 blower. Only an M90. Since this thread is full of arguing. Lol.

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Aug 3, 2011 | 08:55 PM

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Mp90 is going to be back on the rollers next week if anyone still remember that blower :p

woooo

and back to you 1600ax!

With same mods or you have a different set up?

Aug 3, 2011 | 08:56 PM

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With same mods or you have a different set up?

100% methanol, ported mp90 and a ported head w/ a 7400 redline

Aug 3, 2011 | 09:12 PM

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I enjoy the sound of a SC but thats about it and this vid shows how fast the EFR spools. I was not brake boosting just stabbed it WOT and by the time my foot hit the floor it was at 25psi. I also found a boost leak so its even faster now

In for results and graph its always good to have more options.

‪EFR 6758 instant boost!‬&rlm; - YouTube

Aug 3, 2011 | 10:10 PM

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Yeah but that turbo by itself costs more than these 1600 kits did. and then the rest of the turbo setup would have paid for ported head and cams, lol.

Aug 3, 2011 | 10:19 PM

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alright lets try to make the arguing about turbo vs. supercharger end right here. Turbos are sick superchargers are sick we all drive cobalts lets all get along