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Im new to the whole open deck thing 
, I also thought .020 over was safe...
So you just Resleeve it with stock sleeves? Just how strong are the stockers?
Also i demand more vids of your car, The one in your sig is just a teaser
, I also thought .020 over was safe...So you just Resleeve it with stock sleeves? Just how strong are the stockers?
Also i demand more vids of your car, The one in your sig is just a teaser
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Overboring stock sleeves would be a disaster waiting to happen.
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Oh well it will be a longggg time before i have to worry about it
Also..
The TVS is still a roots blower and has the limitations of that. you'll gain 25-50 HP with the blower depending on mods until you get in and port heads or increase displacement.
With small engines turbos are the way to go because they are the only device that produces boost efficiently at high psi levels.
The fact that most TVS owners are around 300WHP plus or minus is pretty good evidence of the limitations regardless of what one or two people manage to achieve.
With small engines turbos are the way to go because they are the only device that produces boost efficiently at high psi levels.
The fact that most TVS owners are around 300WHP plus or minus is pretty good evidence of the limitations regardless of what one or two people manage to achieve.
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They are definitely very nice to have. The Darton kit for the Ecotec's are MID, closed deck.
Only downside is cost, of course. The kit will probably run you 600-800 dollars, then the cost to install depends on the shop. Locally, I was charged 120 dollars per cylinder.
Only downside is cost, of course. The kit will probably run you 600-800 dollars, then the cost to install depends on the shop. Locally, I was charged 120 dollars per cylinder.
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The TVS is still a roots blower and has the limitations of that. you'll gain 25-50 HP with the blower depending on mods until you get in and port heads or increase displacement.
With small engines turbos are the way to go because they are the only device that produces boost efficiently at high psi levels.
The fact that most TVS owners are around 300WHP plus or minus is pretty good evidence of the limitations regardless of what one or two people manage to achieve.
With small engines turbos are the way to go because they are the only device that produces boost efficiently at high psi levels.
The fact that most TVS owners are around 300WHP plus or minus is pretty good evidence of the limitations regardless of what one or two people manage to achieve.
for chrissake a 4 banger turbo is about as common as a fart can on a honda.
sometimes people want to do something different so its not a cookie cutter-by the book modification
im sure everyone one of the TVS guys are aware of the limitations of a blower
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you really have no idea why they want to do a blower do you?
for chrissake a 4 banger turbo is about as common as a fart can on a honda.
sometimes people want to do something different so its not a cookie cutter-by the book modification
im sure everyone one of the TVS guys are aware of the limitations of a blower
for chrissake a 4 banger turbo is about as common as a fart can on a honda.
sometimes people want to do something different so its not a cookie cutter-by the book modification
im sure everyone one of the TVS guys are aware of the limitations of a blower
Why do you think everyone uses Turbo's... If it isn't broke, don't fix it.
I am all for the OP trying to get his goal, but I agree, supercharged 4-bangers is incredibly fail. It's borderline N/A, an expensive way to go slow.
you really have no idea why they want to do a blower do you?
for chrissake a 4 banger turbo is about as common as a fart can on a honda.
sometimes people want to do something different so its not a cookie cutter-by the book modification
im sure everyone one of the TVS guys are aware of the limitations of a blower
for chrissake a 4 banger turbo is about as common as a fart can on a honda.
sometimes people want to do something different so its not a cookie cutter-by the book modification
im sure everyone one of the TVS guys are aware of the limitations of a blower
In terms of power though, I'd be curious as to how a stock M62 with a ported head would compare to a stock head TVS car. The head is 1/2 the cost and may produce all of the gains... Then again both would be even better but if you're doing head, cams, blower, header, exhaust, it seems like a buttload to spend.
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Cookie cutter to me would be running a blower because that's what 99% of the people here are doing. Turbo or twin charged would be unique.
In terms of power though, I'd be curious as to how a stock M62 with a ported head would compare to a stock head TVS car. The head is 1/2 the cost and may produce all of the gains... Then again both would be even better but if you're doing head, cams, blower, header, exhaust, it seems like a buttload to spend.
In terms of power though, I'd be curious as to how a stock M62 with a ported head would compare to a stock head TVS car. The head is 1/2 the cost and may produce all of the gains... Then again both would be even better but if you're doing head, cams, blower, header, exhaust, it seems like a buttload to spend.
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You know how stupid of a reason that is to keep your car slow?
Why do you think everyone uses Turbo's... If it isn't broke, don't fix it.
I am all for the OP trying to get his goal, but I agree, supercharged 4-bangers is incredibly fail. It's borderline N/A, an expensive way to go slow.
Why do you think everyone uses Turbo's... If it isn't broke, don't fix it.
I am all for the OP trying to get his goal, but I agree, supercharged 4-bangers is incredibly fail. It's borderline N/A, an expensive way to go slow.
w/e some people like to go fast the cheap reliable proven way and some people like to do something different
personally im of the former crowd but i understand the people that want something unique
Cookie cutter to me would be running a blower because that's what 99% of the people here are doing. Turbo or twin charged would be unique.
In terms of power though, I'd be curious as to how a stock M62 with a ported head would compare to a stock head TVS car. The head is 1/2 the cost and may produce all of the gains... Then again both would be even better but if you're doing head, cams, blower, header, exhaust, it seems like a buttload to spend.
In terms of power though, I'd be curious as to how a stock M62 with a ported head would compare to a stock head TVS car. The head is 1/2 the cost and may produce all of the gains... Then again both would be even better but if you're doing head, cams, blower, header, exhaust, it seems like a buttload to spend.
twin charged i would agree is different than the norm
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Area....when i come home I'll give you some promising numbers!! While I was on leave in November, my scan gauge gave me a bunch of confidence!!!! Also, like others already said...most of us arn't miracle tuners....some of us have to go to a shop to have it done (like me $600/day).
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im about 2 have my block re taken apart and start over with new these sleeves
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For your information, my last dyno was 318/288 @ 7,395rpm w/ afr of 11.9 and 17* timing @ 69*F w/ 48% humidity; and was still on the way up. Stock air box mod, pacesetter header, 3" catless dp, 3" custom exhaust, secondary cobra h/e, no meth. IAT2's topped at 133*F after the third pull
Now go ahead and call bs on me all you want. My best friend is in auto performance at Ohio Northern University and liked to take my car up there to tinker around on. I'm not here to boast numbers and give in to the naysayers that are all over .net.
Now go ahead and call bs on me all you want. My best friend is in auto performance at Ohio Northern University and liked to take my car up there to tinker around on. I'm not here to boast numbers and give in to the naysayers that are all over .net.
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the m62 doesn't support the airflow.
ported head will help make more power. however. the cams are the limiting factor.
another fun fact! show me an m62 car with stock cams that will flat line power from 7300-8100 rpms. oh wait. they can't do that. they fall on their face at 7k.
ws. i like my blower. suck it honda boi
ported head will help make more power. however. the cams are the limiting factor.
another fun fact! show me an m62 car with stock cams that will flat line power from 7300-8100 rpms. oh wait. they can't do that. they fall on their face at 7k.
ws. i like my blower. suck it honda boi
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the m62 doesn't support the airflow.
ported head will help make more power. however. the cams are the limiting factor.
another fun fact! show me an m62 car with stock cams that will flat line power from 7300-8100 rpms. oh wait. they can't do that. they fall on their face at 7k.
ws. i like my blower. suck it honda boi
ported head will help make more power. however. the cams are the limiting factor.
another fun fact! show me an m62 car with stock cams that will flat line power from 7300-8100 rpms. oh wait. they can't do that. they fall on their face at 7k.
ws. i like my blower. suck it honda boi
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this is true. easier power! 340whp on 18 psi from a blower. or 400whp from a 60-1 on the same boost levels. gee. let me think here!
my final goal is 400whp. be it with a turbo or blower. the goal is the same. this being in dream land for right now. BC wants 1520 dollars to grind the cams i want. they get the finger.
380whp on stock cams can be had. never said it would be easy either.
my final goal is 400whp. be it with a turbo or blower. the goal is the same. this being in dream land for right now. BC wants 1520 dollars to grind the cams i want. they get the finger.
380whp on stock cams can be had. never said it would be easy either.
