Haha, yeah it was a great deal for sure.

 

 

You most definitely see gains from ZZP's cams. It just moves your powerband around. Like I stated earlier, it depends what you like to do with your car.

You like to see gains on paper? Did ZZP give you paper gains when you bought their stealth heat exchanger?

 

This is why I chose Stg2 cams on my M62. Stg2 ZZP Grind definately picks up where the blower falls off. I have a 2.6 SC pulley w/ ATI OD Damper, so the blower runs out of steam near the top and these DEFINATELY picked that up for me.

EDIT: ZZP Reccomends Spring/retainers for the Stg2 cams, I went with the ZZP 82# Spring and their retainer and have had no issues, other might chime on if they are actually needed.

 

No doubt its an expensive upgrade but i have never heard of cams making a car slower. Vander u got like at least 5 people in here saying the cams make the car faster with a real seat of the pants difference. Granted i too would love to see a dyno sheet of someones setup but even then everyone has a different setup on a different car at a different altitude in a different temperature. Id bet that the only reason it may feel a little more laggy on the bottom end is because the car pulls so hard on the top u forget how good it was before.

 

No they didnt and I tried to wait for others to post there gains before buying it trust me, i was at a crossroads on buying the H/E but that is a small cost of 350 I paid on black friday with a griffin costing around 650 plus more for the brackets. I had to take a risk but 350 dollar risk is a far cry from 650 dollars cams plus about 200/300 for valve springs.
So we are talking nearly a grand in money so yeah I cant justify that risk.

 

I never implied that cams make you slower, where you got that idea im not sure. Im asking if the cams plus springs provide a big enough hp net to justify the cost. You have 5 people that say yes and one person being powell that has more experience than any of them saying no its not worth the price unless its a 1/4 track car.

 

Its just how MUCH power is the question lol. Either way its better than tvs for $2500 which is rediculous

 

I'm goinng to dyno my car either this spring or fall, but it won't be an accurate indication on what the cams can do, because my first dyno 3 years ago was done at a different shop (no longer in business), and with a different exhaust setup. This final dyno is just for me to see where my car is at with my current/possible final setup. What might be nice to see though, is where my peak power is made now. My peak power with the H62 used to be made around 6800 rpm with the stock cams. So the change in the power curve will be useful to say the least.

 

SHYT! I had spend over $3k on My Car to make My Car to GO FAST! Yet I am not satisfied with My Car where I want it to be. That's why I wanna get Cams and Valve Springs to Wake My Car Ass Up!

 

I wouldent say powell has more then some

 

I thought Powell LOVE to Go Fast ? Right ? It doesn't make any sense if He say that but LOVE to Go Fast! Why would He say that ? Cause of the Price ?

 

well I cant say who knows more out of you and him but I know who help build the time attack cobalt but that dont really matter, my point was simple that some people that are respected in the community disagree with the gain per cost of cams for a DD car. Id like to see all parties involved provide there proof so this could be settled but it dont seem like anyone is willing and I just dont got a 1k just sitting around to test it myself so guess we wont ever know.

 

He said the gain per cost was not good enough to justify the cost of cams on a DD and some tq was lost, so without any proof from other side my understand is there is a gain of whp but not alot and possible loss of tq maybe only small amount or non at all at a very high price.

 

Does Powell have TVS ? If He does then why buy TVS for higher cost of the Money than Cams ? TVS show small gain just like Cams does. If Go E85 then would get higher gains. That's the point of what I am saying, Make Sense ?

 

I mean, I've seen Guys here that get TVS and not satisfied then get Turbos. Not Very Many has kept TVS. I am for 1 are planning going to Dark Side of the Force. HEH HEH HEH! LMAO!

 

Well you have to kinda put it into context with the TVS. I M62 on pump gas with bolt ons is around 265-270 whp while a TVS same setup with a 2.9 or 3.0 pulley is like 300-310 whp. You add E85 and a 2.7 pulley ur looking at around 280-290ish on M62 but TVS is like 340-350ish or more depending on pulley and other mods.

 

It will might be the same with Cams with the half of the price of TVS Brand New. Right ?

 

What you have seen is alot of guys that dont know how to run a proper TVS setup and get tuned by some mustang shop instead of someone on this forum with real experience with these cars.

 

No iv not seen any cams being sold for a lsj that can make 40+ whp. You thinking of V8 that gain a ton of HP from being cammed from what iv seen its nothing like that for the LSJ I think powell said something like +10 whp gain with some loss of tq when he was talking about stg 2 cams. He didnt provide a dyno of this but if I remember correctly he claimed to have dyno sheets of it was just to lazy to look for them.

 

True, However I know that Our Supercharged Set Up is heavier than Turbo Set Up. I may be wrong ?

 

It can be, It all depends on Your Supporting Mods and Who's Your Tuners.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself

 

No clue but there are a few reason people drop the TVS. no access to E85 and too scared to run a **** ton of meth and some people want 400+ whp cobalt and thats alot easier to do with a turbo.

 

How do you know that it can be? Have you seen any proof of cams giving 40+ whp? I sure havent and no one that has cams is willing to provide any dyno numbers.