ZZP S1 Cams
05-02-2013, 04:21 PM
#52
Here is the thing I dont have that kinda money to just waste, if I spend 650 for a performance upgrade im kinda hoping to see the gains on paper, there may be some people that can afford to toss money around to get things right but im just not one of them. I can afford the cams but when ur talking 650 plus another 200-300 for vavle springs thats getting into alot of money so thats why iv not went and spent near a grand getting these parts and iv not decided if i should get a ported head instead.
05-02-2013, 04:54 PM
#53
Here is the thing I dont have that kinda money to just waste, if I spend 650 for a performance upgrade im kinda hoping to see the gains on paper, there may be some people that can afford to toss money around to get things right but im just not one of them. I can afford the cams but when ur talking 650 plus another 200-300 for vavle springs thats getting into alot of money so thats why iv not went and spent near a grand getting these parts and iv not decided if i should get a ported head instead.
You like to see gains on paper? Did ZZP give you paper gains when you bought their stealth heat exchanger?
05-02-2013, 04:58 PM
#54
EDIT: ZZP Reccomends Spring/retainers for the Stg2 cams, I went with the ZZP 82# Spring and their retainer and have had no issues, other might chime on if they are actually needed.
Last edited by 07_Red_SS/SC; 05-02-2013 at 05:09 PM.
05-02-2013, 05:03 PM
#55
No doubt its an expensive upgrade but i have never heard of cams making a car slower. Vander u got like at least 5 people in here saying the cams make the car faster with a real seat of the pants difference. Granted i too would love to see a dyno sheet of someones setup but even then everyone has a different setup on a different car at a different altitude in a different temperature. Id bet that the only reason it may feel a little more laggy on the bottom end is because the car pulls so hard on the top u forget how good it was before.
05-02-2013, 05:29 PM
#56
So we are talking nearly a grand in money so yeah I cant justify that risk.
05-02-2013, 05:34 PM
#57
No doubt its an expensive upgrade but i have never heard of cams making a car slower. Vander u got like at least 5 people in here saying the cams make the car faster with a real seat of the pants difference. Granted i too would love to see a dyno sheet of someones setup but even then everyone has a different setup on a different car at a different altitude in a different temperature. Id bet that the only reason it may feel a little more laggy on the bottom end is because the car pulls so hard on the top u forget how good it was before.
Last edited by Vander Nars; 05-02-2013 at 06:27 PM.
05-02-2013, 05:38 PM
#59
No doubt its an expensive upgrade but i have never heard of cams making a car slower. Vander u got like at least 5 people in here saying the cams make the car faster with a real seat of the pants difference. Granted i too would love to see a dyno sheet of someones setup but even then everyone has a different setup on a different car at a different altitude in a different temperature. Id bet that the only reason it may feel a little more laggy on the bottom end is because the car pulls so hard on the top u forget how good it was before.
05-02-2013, 06:41 PM
#61
I never implied that cams make you slower, where you got that idea im not sure. Im asking if the cams plus springs provide a big enough hp net to justify the cost. You have 5 people that say yes and one person being powell that has more experience than any of them saying no its not worth the price unless its a 1/4 track car.
05-02-2013, 07:49 PM
#63
well I cant say who knows more out of you and him but I know who help build the time attack cobalt but that dont really matter, my point was simple that some people that are respected in the community disagree with the gain per cost of cams for a DD car. Id like to see all parties involved provide there proof so this could be settled but it dont seem like anyone is willing and I just dont got a 1k just sitting around to test it myself so guess we wont ever know.
05-02-2013, 07:53 PM
#64
He said the gain per cost was not good enough to justify the cost of cams on a DD and some tq was lost, so without any proof from other side my understand is there is a gain of whp but not alot and possible loss of tq maybe only small amount or non at all at a very high price.
05-02-2013, 08:07 PM
#67
Well you have to kinda put it into context with the TVS. I M62 on pump gas with bolt ons is around 265-270 whp while a TVS same setup with a 2.9 or 3.0 pulley is like 300-310 whp. You add E85 and a 2.7 pulley ur looking at around 280-290ish on M62 but TVS is like 340-350ish or more depending on pulley and other mods.
05-02-2013, 08:13 PM
#70
No iv not seen any cams being sold for a lsj that can make 40+ whp. You thinking of V8 that gain a ton of HP from being cammed from what iv seen its nothing like that for the LSJ I think powell said something like +10 whp gain with some loss of tq when he was talking about stg 2 cams. He didnt provide a dyno of this but if I remember correctly he claimed to have dyno sheets of it was just to lazy to look for them.
Last edited by Vander Nars; 05-02-2013 at 08:24 PM.
