Originally Posted by cakeeater

what do you mean lolwut? you ever heard of fuel starvation?



well no **** they will, but like i said, any tuner worth his salt knows this and leaves room for error. and from what everyone is claiming, whoever tuend this guys car is supposedly a great tuner....but now im seeing it wasn't a dyno tune? wtf some people are saying he was dyno tuned, others are saying street tuned...

Originally Posted by Raven SS

no he was dyno tuned...i questioned the tuner of the car because he said he didnt do major changes to the tune...i dont know if the tuner is avoiding this being his fault or if people are getting ripped off by the tuner..

Originally Posted by cakeeater

but he said he just made tweaks to his previous tune...so was the car dyno tuned THEN tweaked by psyko or what?

Originally Posted by jwhitten

The car came to the shop with a tune on it already for gods sake all steve did was tweak the already existing tune. He could have kept tweaking all day and getting more out of it but he wanted to leave it safe the car was dyno tuned derrick got what he wanted out of the tune at least thats what i have heard over and over again allot of you have never even met him but i have met and talked to him in person. I even talked to him in person the night this happend and he had no complaints from the tune.

Originally Posted by jwhitten

The car came to the shop with a tune on it already for gods sake all steve did was tweak the already existing tune. He could have kept tweaking all day and getting more out of it but he wanted to leave it safe the car was dyno tuned derrick got what he wanted out of the tune at least thats what i have heard over and over again allot of you have never even met him but i have met and talked to him in person. I even talked to him in person the night this happend and he had no complaints from the tune.

Originally Posted by Omega_5

WTF does that have to do with anything?

Originally Posted by Raven SS

i know right..and even if the person driving the car doesnt have a complaint about the tune doesnt mean it wasnt the tune....obviously he wouldnt know it was the tune because then he would have the insight to tuning and prolly would have tuned himself

Originally Posted by Psykostevo

derrick, James told me that your car went boom but I didn't get any other details. I'm sure those stock internals didn't like the 19+psi. They weren't meant to see that kind of boost for sure. Tune wise I know it was on the safe side for sure, because like I said I could have gotten way more power out of it. You had plenty of fuel being delivered and not even enough timing to cause even 1* of knock. So I know you weren't lean or over advanced.

I'm interested to know what failed specifically. Was it the head gasket, or a piston? Unfortunately the stock head gasket is no good for that kind of boost over time. And the cast pistons don't like a lot of heat. You can PM me what happened after you find out for sure or post it up here if you like so everyone can see.



I don't know. My guess is that they don't know anything. Just because I tuned it doesn't mean I damaged it. I was very open and honest with everyone I tuned. If I felt there was something wrong I made sure to tell everybody. I certainly know what I am doing and wouldn't have offered to help you guys if I didn't.

Funny that they blame my tune when all I do was make minor changes to the tune he came to me with. Not like I rewrote the whole tune and jacked it up. I just coaxed a few more horse out of what he had, which is what he wanted. And I looked over the tune he had when he showed up and that looked safe and sound too so I'm not going to blame the other tuners either because they did a good job too.

Simply put, I don't think the stock motor was meant to see that kind of boost. Look what happened to everyone else who made that kind of boost on the LSJ.

Originally Posted by Omega_5

WTF does that have to do with anything?

Originally Posted by jwhitten

I've seen the car in person and I know allot of the history behind it, steve did not have to completely rewrite the tune because it was a good tune it just needed some tweaks. If it was a crap tune he would have done so, I have worked with him in person and he is a very honest guy if he feels something is not right he will tell you and fix it his self. Like I said before just wait till the tear down before you point fingers.

Originally Posted by jwhitten

the tunes were $250 $150 goes to the tuner steve the rest goes to 2 credits per car which is $100 now you tell me how the hell i get any of that money?? All I got out of it was a tune.

Originally Posted by Raven SS

sounds as tho ur getting a cut of the money made from the group tunes lol

Originally Posted by Raven SS

sounds as tho ur getting a cut of the money made from the group tunes lol

Originally Posted by cakeeater

you are just jumping to the tune right away....we dont even know what happened yet. There are a LOT of things that could have happened, like i said before. So why don't you wait and see before you play the blame game.

Originally Posted by jwhitten

I've seen the car in person and I know allot of the history behind it, steve did not have to completely rewrite the tune because it was a good tune it just needed some tweaks.

Originally Posted by Raven SS

because with the information given it doesnt add up...plus im bored...and im not the only one saying it was the tune...hell i wasnt the first one to say it was

Originally Posted by cakeeater

nah you weren't, but a few of you are acting like it was in fact the tune, when although it's quite possible it was, that is not even close to the only possibility. I don't know if you were the one that said if the tune was safe the car would still be running, but that is a VERY bold statement. The tune isn't the only factor here.

Originally Posted by Omega_5

Again... what does 'knowing' the car have to due with the basic mechanical principles of the engine?
You make it sound as though the fact that you 'know' the guy, that you automatically have some kind of telepathic bond with his engine.

I do agree though... we should wait for the tear down.

Originally Posted by Raven SS

that was area lol...but what is known is there has been cars in similar situations with more being pushed on it and it hasnt blown...so mechanically i'd say the engine is pretty stout...tunes are what damage these engines

Originally Posted by jwhitten

Agreed there has been stout engine but there has also been pretty much bone stock engines blow. Tunes may demolish these engines but so does heat and I know a run up to the top of 4th is going to put allot of heat into that engine.

Originally Posted by WSFrazier

The LSJ can't handle that much PSI? Wow Stevo, your talking like that ******* I pwnt earlier in the thread.