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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 03:56 PM
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anyone else see the problem here besides myself?
Yes... the Steveo tune. Duh.
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Area47
anyone else see the problem here besides myself?
ya... gmpp header and exhaust
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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yay alpha's here...becoming an ol regular party and ****...


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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:02 PM
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A flashing CEL is usually a misfire code, and the factr that he was only at 5k when this happend has nothing to do with the top end of 7k rpm or whatever it is. This happend around 5k rpm keep that in mind guys.
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:04 PM
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It's not a party without the kitty!
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Originally Posted by jwhitten
A flashing CEL is usually a misfire code, and the factr that he was only at 5k when this happend has nothing to do with the top end of 7k rpm or whatever it is. This happend around 5k rpm keep that in mind guys.
so what ur saying is the restrictive exhaust really had nothing to do with it...since he's not really pushing it the air isnt being crammed in...musta had alot of detonation then

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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:04 PM
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Based on his numbers and support mods along with what you guys are saying I'm gonna blame a bad tune and the GMPP head/cat as 2 more factors that didn't make things any better. With those numbers, he shouldn't be grenading his engine.

Unless I'm missing something....
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jwhitten
A flashing CEL is usually a misfire code, and the factr that he was only at 5k when this happend has nothing to do with the top end of 7k rpm or whatever it is. This happend around 5k rpm keep that in mind guys.
272 whp from a tvs? and you're crying about this happening at 5k?
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:09 PM
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I would suspect either a bad gas which caused detonation, 2 insufficent speed to reel someone in in 4th which would cause way top much load on the engine, 3 allot of boost over time on a stock head gasket with restrictive exhaust. I am not saying anything about the tune it was safe, and there was no knock and plenty of fuel on a load dyno. No one knows for sure whats wrong with the enigine as of right now how bout everyone wait to see the hard evidence before blaming anything on anything.
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:10 PM
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really sorry to hear about the loss. hope you can maybe salvage it still, sounds like you put a lot into it and i'm sure it'd be hard to see it go
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:12 PM
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Gee yes that is important info right there started at 5k after climbing up from who knows what. That would tell me there is allot of load on the engine because when I hit 5k in 4th im hauling ass. Not to mention when I shift from 3rd the rpm only goes down to about 4k. When there is that much load on any engine it is likely to misfire and if you stay in it while its misfiring then bam you have a problem.
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:12 PM
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not to budge but his whole setup should be runnin off the eaton not the tvs. Gmpp exhaust/header max ponies at 6100???? WTF is that?? Stg 3 clutch way to much for that car..no wonder it blew he's a window shopper..
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jwhitten
I would suspect either a bad gas which caused detonation, 2 insufficent speed to reel someone in in 4th which would cause way top much load on the engine, 3 allot of boost over time on a stock head gasket with restrictive exhaust. I am not saying anything about the tune it was safe, and there was no knock and plenty of fuel on a load dyno. No one knows for sure whats wrong with the enigine as of right now how bout everyone wait to see the hard evidence before blaming anything on anything.
dynos will never manipulate what u see on the street.
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:25 PM
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Look all I'm saying is no one even knows what exactly went wrong yet, and everyone is quick to judge something they have not even seen in person. Yeah 272 is low I agree but at the same time you should have seen the numbers before it was touched. I am not says it wasn't the tune but I am saying its highly unlikely There is only a few people on here who has even seen this car in person and know the history behind it. Everyone is quick to judge, I am not saying yes or no about anything but in the mean time I am keeping my mouth shut until the results come in from the tear down. I am not taking sides but at the same time the car did not leave the dyno in worse shape then when it arrived.
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:26 PM
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The bit of information I didnt share about my peak hp like it matters for this situation. The tech didnt know to take it to 7K. So most likely my max hp would have been there or closer to that point.
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Raven SS
dynos will never manipulate what u see on the street.
you mean simulate? if it's is a mustang dyno, it should simulate fairly closely depending on the calibration. It could be LOTS of things. you will never know for sure until you open it up.
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:32 PM
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you mean simulate? if it's is a mustang dyno, it should simulate fairly closely depending on the calibration. It could be LOTS of things. you will never know for sure until you open it up.
ive tuned over and over on multiple dynos and always had to fine tune it when we hit the street due to temps and afr being different
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:36 PM
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I'm glad you are coming to h-town raven.
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Raven SS
ive tuned over and over on multiple dynos and always had to fine tune it when we hit the street due to temps and afr being different
that's why i said fairly closely, but any decent tune on the dyno should be safe enough to not cause catastrophic failure on the street. No knowledgeable tuner is going to put in the max timing they can safely on the dyno when its 70* in shop with the fans blowing.

you had 56k? change the fuel filter lately...?
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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fuel filter was changed at 40k
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:44 PM
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why do some of you keep bringing up the stop head gasket as being a problem? IT IS NOT THE ******* PROBLEM. if the tune was "safe" it would still be running. dyno tune is different than a street tune. anyone who wants to argue this be my guest.

when you can't seem to figure out why this engine blew itself when it was posted several times, and you still want to argue about it? seriously?

Originally Posted by cakeeater
that's why i said fairly closely, but any decent tune on the dyno should be safe enough to not cause catastrophic failure on the street. No knowledgeable tuner is going to put in the max timing they can safely on the dyno when its 70* in shop with the fans blowing.

you had 56k? change the fuel filter lately...?
lolwut?

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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Area47
why do some of you keep bringing up the stop head gasket as being a problem? IT IS NOT THE ******* PROBLEM. if the tune was "safe" it would still be running. dyno tune is different than a street tune. anyone who wants to argue this be my guest.

when you can't seem to figure out why this engine blew itself when it was posted several times, and you still want to argue about it? seriously?



lolwut?
I don't think anyone else knows that your afr and timing will change from the dyno to the street. This def was caused by high egts.
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cakeeater
that's why i said fairly closely, but any decent tune on the dyno should be safe enough to not cause catastrophic failure on the street. No knowledgeable tuner is going to put in the max timing they can safely on the dyno when its 70* in shop with the fans blowing.

you had 56k? change the fuel filter lately...?
I finally changed mine for the first time the other day........changed it at 51k
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:52 PM
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I'm glad you are coming to h-town raven.
thats in question if i cant find a roomate lol

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I don't think anyone else knows that your afr and timing will change from the dyno to the street. This is def a cause of high egts.
um..i said it lol

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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Area47
why do some of you keep bringing up the stop head gasket as being a problem? IT IS NOT THE ******* PROBLEM. if the tune was "safe" it would still be running. dyno tune is different than a street tune. anyone who wants to argue this be my guest.

when you can't seem to figure out why this engine blew itself when it was posted several times, and you still want to argue about it? seriously?



lolwut?
what do you mean lolwut? you ever heard of fuel starvation?

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I don't think anyone else knows that your afr and timing will change from the dyno to the street. This def was caused by high egts.
well no **** they will, but like i said, any tuner worth his salt knows this and leaves room for error. and from what everyone is claiming, whoever tuend this guys car is supposedly a great tuner....but now im seeing it wasn't a dyno tune? wtf some people are saying he was dyno tuned, others are saying street tuned...

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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Raven SS
thats in question if i cant find a roomate lol



um..i said it lol
civic owners not included didnt u read the back of the cereal box when u got ur car?
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