EFR 6758 is good for numbers past 500 but not much more. Believe its rated at around 490ish so on E85 or Meth numbers past 500 should not be to hard to reach.

Will post up some LSJ vids in a few weeks off a 6758.

 

Seriously? I am trapping over 135 in the 1/4! We have made over 550whp on E85 with the 6758. This is about 170 higher than the stock turbo made on the same motor. You can't just look at the compressor maps, but if you want to say this turbo is good to 400, then you should be pointing out how the K04 is only good to about 280. To put it into perspective, the 6758 is good for 40% more than the K04. Trust me when I say that it is enough for 99% or more people modding their LNF Cobalt.

On E85, my car logged a 60-125 hit a hair faster than a Buggati Veyron, faster than a new ZR1, and about 4 seconds faster than a GTR, but if I switch back to gas, then I will be barely beating bolt-on stock turbo Cobalts.

 

One thing thast surprises me is how people still use old school rule of thumb calculations to figure out how much power they can make with a turbo. Guys, we aren't driving DSMs from 1992. We have higher compression, direct injection, and variable cams. Our cars put down more power at the wheels than older cars could measure at the flywheel on the same turbo.

 

Kinda wish i put my car on the dyno after mdubs dialed it in to see the gains on 93 but just got lazy/ bored with the car. This turbo makes plenty of power for a DD even on pump gas and to be honest its scary to drive on winter tires

 

I'd like this setup in a Sky Redline. It would be much more useable in a FR config than FF imo. I am just so worried about the block issues that have been popping up for the LNF engines. I wonder if it's possible to put the LNF top end onto a LE5 bottom end with custom pistons made for the bigger bore of the 2.4L so the DI will still work properly. More or less thinking out loud. I'd like to have a HHR SS as a dd with this turbo setup on pump gas. Matt, what kind of numbers on the track do you think a HHR would run? I was thinking mid to low 11's.

 

Matt onout of curiousity were you using your Billet Engine Mount, and what springs and struts were you using?

 

You're right, but not everyone wants to run that turbo maxing it out. Even in my case, I can only use 91, I don't have e85.. In that quote you pretty much state that EFR is only good with e85, If you go to regular pump, its not worth it? cause I dont want to barely be faster than what my car is now. I want to be 100 whp faster.

Another note. I'm on a bunch of forums, and I post this info whenever you guys update it. I believe the car you have right now can do 60-130 in under 7 seconds the 136 trap says it all. But 5 seconds I will not beleive without a vbox run verification. That's just retarded, sorry to say man. I'm not putting ZZP down as you guys are the ONLY company putting great info out for us.

Let's get some vbox verification so I can add it to this list.


60 -130 mph (96.5-209.2 kph): ALL BMW's

MERT IS SUPER DUPER FAST!
4.49 - Mert / custon twin turbo Euro E36 M3 / 27 PSI / twin 68 mm turbos / C16 GRAPH
4.67 - djborya / E30 325i Turbo / E85 / Drag Radials / GRAPH
4.81 - djborya / E30 325i Turbo / E85 / Drag Radials / GRAPH
4.93 - Mert / custom built TT E46 M3 high boost, nitrous, race gas, 8500+ rpm redline VIDEO
5.07 - Mert / custom built TT E46 M3 25 psi on a 1.7% decline with 1-shift in 51 degree temps. Toyo R888s, 8,500 rpm redline. GRAPH
5.61 - RaceMX-M3 / E46 M3 HPF Stage 2.5 SMG /Race Fuel & Meth / 1 shift
6.07 - M&M / E30 325is / TC / 1 shift
6.23 - Mikewads / Mikewads / Mikewads / E92 M3 ESS VT2 600 SC / DCT/ 100 shot nitrous / 3 shifts GRAPH
6.2x - ST06M3 / E46 M3 HPF Stage 2.5 6MT / Race Fuel & Meth / 0 shift (4th Gear only)
6.36 - G-power / G-power Stage 3 SC / 11 psi / 1 shift
6.53 - Mikewads / E92 M3 ESS VT-2 575 SC / DCT/ Nitrous 100 shot / Full exhaust, no cats / 3 shifts GRAPH
6.80 - TaZaM3 / E46 M3 AA Turbocharger 6MT / lowboost / pump fuel / 1 shift
6.86 - ST06M3 / E46 M3 HPF Stage 2 6MT / Race Fuel & meth / 1 shift
6.87 - Mikewads / E92 M3 ESS VT2 600 SC / DCT/ / 3 shifts GRAPH
6.95 - G-power / G-power Stage 3 SC on stock internals / Manual / 1 shift
6.95 - hotrod182 / 335i AT w/ JB3 piggyback ECU / .28 Nitrous Dry shot / Race Gas / Water Meth/ Weight Reduction / 2-shifts
7.05 - Mikewads / E92 M3 ESS VT-1 SC / DCT/ Nitrous 75-100 shot / 3 shifts
7.06 - DLSJ5 / E92 M3 Gintani Stage 2 SC / DCT / 91 octane and meth / 9 psi / 3 shifts - GRAPH
7.37 - DLSJ5 / E92 M3 Gintani Stage 2 SC / DCT / 91 octane and meth / 8 psi / 3 shifts /
7.85 - IMG / E92 M3 ESS VT2-600 / Manual / 1 shift / GRAPH
7.86 - Maros / E46 M3 ESS SC 16 psi Built Motor/ 1 shift
8.31 - Biglare/ E90 M3 DCT ESS VT2-575 SC / Bolt ons/ 3.62 Gears/ ESS DCT Software / 91 Pump/ 20" wheels
8.34 - Pencilgeek /E92 M3 6MT/ RS-46 RDsport stroker w/ESS VT600 SC / Bolt ons/ 91 octane/ 1 shift (Not Verified Yet)
8.59 – Dr Jitsu / E46 M3 BHS SC Built Motor 16 psi / SMG / MS109/ 1 shift
8.67 - DLSJ5 / E46 M3 VFE Supercharged Stage 2 8.5psi / SMG / 3.91 gears/ MS109 / 2 shifts
8.82 - sammyrusso / E92 M3 DCT Gintani Stage 1 SC / Bolt Ons/ HFC's / 91 octane / 2 shifts
8.84 - DefactoM6 / 335i w/Piggyback ECU (Procede V2) / 1 Shift
8.84 - RomanESS / E92 M3 VT-575 /DCT / Stock cats/ ESS DCT Software / 3 shifts/ ? (Needs to be verified)
9.01- Eugene Tawain E92 M3 6MT Gpower SC @ 6psi / Bolt ons / pump / 2 shifts
9.08 - hiboostingm3 / E36 M3 / TC / 2 shifts
9.09 - hotrod182 / 335i w/ JB3 piggyback ECU / 2-shifts
9.3x - RaceMX-M3 / E46 M3 VFE Stage 2 SC / SMG / 100 octane / 1 shift
9.62 - M6koo / M6 SMG (intake, exhaust, pulley, tune) / 2-shifts
9.66 - Fanatic7 / E46 M3 VFE Supercharger Stage 2 / SMG / 110 / passanger / 2 shifts
9.87 - Mspired / E46 M3 AA Supercharger Stage 3 / 6MT / 91 octane / 1 shift
10.3 - TerryBMS / 135I JB3/ TIP / Bolt Ons, weight reduction / 91+Meth / 2 shifts
10.3 - Stock M6 / 2 shifts
10.4 - RaceMX-M3 / Stock E60 M5 / 2 shifts
10.5 - fivaxis / E36 M3 / TC / 2 shifts
10.71 - DLSJ5 / E92 M3 DCT/ Bolt-Ons / 91 octane/ 3 shifts
10.83 - Clemster / E39 M5 / ESS SC 92mm pulley / 3.45 diff / Exhaust / 2 shifts
10.94 - KevN23 / E39 M5 / ESS SC 96mm pulley / 1 shift / GRAPH
11.05 - Pencilgeek /E92 M3 6MT/ RS-46 RDsport stroker/ 91 octane/ 2shifts
11.0x - slcook54 / E36 M3 / TC / 3 shifts
11.2x - M&M / Chipped 335i / 1 shift
11.28 - M&M /E92 M3 6MT / Bolt Ons
12.46 - Stock DCT E92 M3
12.66 - Eugene Taiwan/ E92 M3 6MT / Bolt ons/ 91 octane
12.99 - 05SCM3 / E46 M3 VFE Stage 1 SC/ SMG / 2 shifts
12.99 - Stock E92 M3 Coupe/ 6MT
13.7x - IDZ21 / Stock E46 M3 SMG (freak car) / 1 shift
14.3 - hiboostingm3 / Stock E39 M5 / 1 shift

Non-BMW List:

3.53 - Underground / TT Gallardo / 2-shifts
3.96 - KPG / EVOMS 996TT 1.1% decline with 0-shifts (4th gear pull). RWD, app. 3300 lbs, E85 at 25 psi (app. 850 rwhp).
4.09 - Acicchelli / TT Gallardo / 1-shift
4.52 - jbsteven / SC&TT Ford GT 994 rwhp / 1-shift
4.53 - HoustonT / 880 rwhp Supra / 1-shift
4.87 - Oz / Supra / 1-shift
5.07 - TwinTurboM3 / TT E46 M3 @ 25psi / 1-shift
5.14 - Hllywood / TT Viper / 93 octane/ 2-shifts
5.27 – Lil Powell / C5 Vette with big motor and NOS
5.74 - Divexxtreme / Supercharged C6 Z06 / 1-shift
5.88 - Blacksheep / Supercharged C6 Z51 Corvette / 1-shift
6.59 - DadsC63 / C63 AMG, MHP v4 CDT, MHP LT Headers & Mids, MHP 3" Race Catback + Xpipe, MHP Thermostat, 125 shot nitrous, CF hood/trunk, Race Gas, DR's GRAPH
6.65 - Acicchelli / Renntech SLR
6.66 - Dad's C63 - C63 AMG - MHP Tune, 125 shot nitrous
6.85 - gringointegra / TC'd Acura Integra, 1-shift
6.89 - Vrybad / C5 Z06TT (APS Turbo, no cats, stock muffler, 573 rwhp @ 9.5 psi) / 1-shift
6.93 - GTRHU / Nissan GTR / Cobb AP NIS-006, GTC custom map, E85 map running, JoeGr Beta LC map, GTC catless downpipe, Titek sus midpipe, HKS legamax catback, Forge actuator(red spring), ID1000cc injectors, Custom 76mm intake, HKS spark plugs, Greddy Intercoolers, Harman Motive IC hardpipe kit. GRAPH
7.05 - Divexxtreme / 2010 GT-R, Switzer cat-back exhaust, drop-in air filters and Switzer 100 octane tune, peak boost 18 psi
7.24 - Acicchelli / Stock SLR
7.48 - Acicchelli / Renntech SL65 AMG
7.59 - Blacksheep / C6 Corvette Z51 (heads/cam, 484 rwhp) / 2-shifts
7.74 - 458 Italia, stock / GRAPH
7.74 - HoustonT / GT-R / 640 HP (downpipes, y-pipe, BC, hard IC pipes, custom tune)
7.85 - Acicchelli / Stock LP640 / 2-shifts
7.86 - Divexxtreme / Stock C6 Z06 / 2-shifts
7.95 - Byzantine / '06 Gallardo 6-MT, catless exhaust & 105lb weight reduction, 2-shifts
8.00 - loco cinco cinco / W211 E55, OE Custom tune, 180mm Pulley, 82mmTB, Kleemann Headers with full 3" Exhaust, Labonte Meth kit, 16" e320 wheels, Quaiffe Diff.
8.04 - MPH / SL65 / MHP Tune / DR's GRAPH
8.16 - 930chas / E55 AMG, Evo 178 Pulley, 82mm TB, OE Tuning Tune, Labonte S2 Methanol Injection, Quaife LSD, exhaust, headers GRAPH
8.19 - Jeremy - OE tuned C63 AMG / Gintani full exhaust and headers, K&N, 100 oct, DR's GRAPH
8.24 - DrivenAgain / CL600 AMG
8.31 - biglare / SC'd E90 M3 DCT / 2-shifts
8.41 - TMC CL65, '09 CTS-V with 8.6" pulley, CAI, LS7 ported TB, headers w/ cats, heat exchanger
8.40 - bassn_07, E5 with full bolt-ons
8.45 - TMC CL65 / Kleeman CL65
8.46 - Dads C63 / MHP - L/T Headers, Heads, Tune, intake gaskets, C/F airbox with K&N Filters.
8.58 - Jeremy - OE tuned C63 AMG / Gintani full exhaust and headers, K&N, 91 oct GRAPH
9.41 - Propain - C63 AMG, OE Tuning tune, DR's, Race Gas, airbox mod/filter GRAPH
9.42 - Easy2Speed / stock 2010 CTS-V / 1-shift
9.65 - DD GT3 RD - 997.2 GT3 - Sharwerks muffler delete GRAPH
9.67 - Propain - C63 AMG, OE Tuning tune, DR's, Race Gas, airbox mod/filter GRAPH
9.74 - JonsC63AMG, OE Tuning tune, GRAPH
9.79 - DD GT3 RD - Stock C63 w/ P31, 91 oct GRAPH
9.92 - Byzantine / '06 Gallardo 6-MT, 2-shifts
10.13- Acicchelli / Stock F430 / 3-shifts
10.72- Acicchelli / Cayenne Turbo S GT700
10.93- Acicchelli / Stock Mercedes E63 / Auto
10.97- WK446 / Nissan GT-R with updated Launch Control firmware
11.81- HoustonT / Stock Lexus IS-F / Sequential
13.77- Acicchelli / Bentley GTC / Auto
14.39- Acicchelli / Stock Mercedes ML63 / Auto

Here's a list of cars you can compare your times with.

NOTE: Only the below runs with an asterisk (*) next to them have been verified. The accuracy of the other runs can not be guaranteed.

*3.53 - Underground Racing TT Gallardo, 1,300 rwhp, 2-shifts
*3.54 - Bob Helms, TT Viper
*3.93 - 931 rwhp Supra, 88mm turbo, TH400 Auto, ET Drags
*4.09 - Acicchelli / TT Gallardo / 1-shift
*4.52 - jbsteven / SC&TT Ford GT 994 rwhp / 1-shift
*4.53 - HoustonT / 880 rwhp Supra / 1-shift
*4.87 - Oz / Supra / 1-shift
4.8 - 900 rwhp Supra (88GT47, TH400, no NOS, drag radials)
4.9 - 940 rwhp Supra (35 psi)
5.1 - 840 rwhp Supra (30 psi)
*5.14 - Hllywood / TT Viper / 93 octane/ 2-shifts
*5.26 - 997 GT3 RS TURBO / 1-shift
*5.27 – Lil Powell / C5 Vette with big motor and NOS
5.4 - 1,000 rwhp TT Viper
5.6 - Bugatti Veyron
*5.72 - Subaru Impreza GC8, built motor, big turbo and 100 shot of nitrous
*5.8 - Ford GT, Whipple S/C, 780 rwhp, 1-shift
*5.82 - Porsche 997tt Tiptronic, race gas, Switzer R911 PKG GRAPH
*5.88 - Blacksheep / Supercharged C6 Z51 Corvette / 1-shift
5.9 - GSXR 1000 with bolt-ons
6.1 - Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
6.6 - Ford Cobra, Whipple S/C at 22 psi
*6.65 - Acicchelli / Renntech SLR
*6.89 - Vrybad / C5 Z06TT (APS Turbo, no cats, stock muffler, 573 rwhp @ 9.5 psi) / 1-shift
6.9 - Mosler MT900S
7.0 - Ferrari Enzo
*7.06 - C6 Z06; intake, tune, headers, cam, no cats, 560 rwhp, 2-shifts
*7.24 - Mercedes SLR McLaren
*7.25 - Stock 997 GT2 / 1-shift
7.3 - Porsche Carrera GT
7.3 - Ferrari Enzo
*7.48 - Acicchelli / Renntech SL65 AMG
*7.59 - Blacksheep / C6 Corvette Z51 (heads/cam, 484 rwhp) / 2-shifts
*7.66 - 996 TT 'S' with K16/24 Hybrids, 4th gear pull only
*7.74 - HoustonT / GT-R / 640 HP (downpipes, y-pipe, BC, hard IC pipes, custom tune)
*7.75 - Shelby GT500, Kenne Bell, 700+ rwhp, 1-shift
*7.85 - Acicchelli / Stock LP640 / 2-shifts
7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
*7.86 - Divexxtreme / Stock C6 Z06 / 2-shifts
7.9 - RX7, turbocharged (GT35), 360+ rwhp -
*8.24 - DrivenAgain / CL600 AMG
*8.45 - TMC CL65 / Kleeman CL65
9.09 - hotrod182 / 335i w/ JB3 piggyback ECU / 2-shifts
9.1 - Porsche 993 RUF Turbo R (100 octane)
9.4 - Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.5 - Porsche 997TT
9.6 - Ferrari F50
*9.92 - Byzantine / '06 Gallardo 6-MT, 2-shifts
*9.9 - Lamborghini Gallardo, stock, 2006, 6-MT, 2-shifts
*10.1 - Ferrari F430
*10.48 - C63 AMG with headers and flash
*10.72- Acicchelli / Cayenne Turbo S GT700
*10.93- Acicchelli / Stock Mercedes E63 / Auto
*10.97- WK446 / Nissan GT-R with updated Launch Control firmware
11.0 - Shelby GT500, stock, 2-shifts
11.7 - Ferrari Challenge Stradale
11.81- HoustonT / Stock Lexus IS-F / Sequential
13.77- Acicchelli / Bentley GTC / Auto
14.39- Acicchelli / Stock Mercedes ML63 / Auto

 

I think you are looking at it the wrong way and you will have no problem taking it over 400whp 400wtq. Look at the numbers at 6000+rpm compared to the ko4 and the EFR is still pulling hard! You guys must be comparing a Ko4 with E also cause last time i checked it wasn't making crazy power on pump. Compare apples to apples and its a big difference..

 

We can also use hp tuners to get accurate readings of 60-130. V box would be the best but hp tuners works to.

 

ohh, you mean he was comparing e85 stock turbo vs pump gas EFR.Yea it is a big difference. I still think he should test regular pump gas now too. We all know the positives of E85, and how much power it can make over regular pump. I'm not denying the EFR, it has some massive top end power just by looking at the dyno graphs. I want the EFR no doubt about it. Would like some info on regular 91/93 octane numbers now. For real world situations for people like me.

Really? hp tuners is a sick tool then... I might have to get that then over a vbox mini.... but then again I can vbox with any car I go into.

 

Yeah mine will be on the Dyno shortly and at the track and its a 6758 on 93. Only difference is its on a LSJ. Donkeyballs needs to get on the dyno since he is LNF and on the EFR.

 

Hp tuners tells you speed and gives you time down to the .000 so you have to do a little math but can be done pretty easy. How much does a vbox cost? I would like to have one if there only a few hundred bucks.

 

vbox mini is 500, but it is sick. gives you all your 1/4 mile trap speed all that stuff. and when you go to a track you can set up the start and finish of the track for your lap times. When my friend goes canyoning thats pretty much his track and he just goes over and over with his vbox to see his best time. It's a pretty cool thing to have.

I would like to know how much donkeyballs is hitting, but he is on e85. There shouldnt be that much power difference forom LSJ and LNF with an EFR on pump.. not more thatn 20whp worth at least..

 

I'm not give me a min and i"ll reply

 

Matt M - i didnt know. I am not an expert. I was just going by the comp maps and donkeyballs original tune where it knocked up top. No offense.

 

My car made 398/397 @ 23~24 psi on 93oct with factory exhaust and some **** plugs. I'm on a 26psi 93oct tune now and it gained a **** ton of power with no knock or missfires now. I never put it back on the dyno though so I don't have numbers to back up my claim but I don't really care about numbers cause I know it moves out

 

Yes, billet mount, SSC springs, stock struts.

 

I really thought the sarcasm would be obvious. No, you will not lose 150whp worth of potential if you run pump gas rather than E85. Most people running pump gas K04s with full bolt ons dyno between 300 and 310 on our dyno. 425whp would be pushing the 6758 less than 310 from the K04.

 

I said 60-125, not 60-130. Of course the last 5mph would be the slowest acelleration as well. That would mean that 60-130 is in the area of 6 seconds, which is slower than you have listed for the Veyron. This makes sense, because I'm sure that car would outperform the Cobalt at speeds past 120mph. At some point, I am acellerating quicker, because we trap close to the same mph even though I am not on high boost until the top of 2nd gear. Of course this is earlier Veyrons that trap around 137, not a later version or super sport.

On another note, did anyone ever notice that the Veyron motor has the same bore and stroke as the LSJ and LNF?

 

I did not know that we had the same bore and stroke at the Veyron. What does that mean? Is the bore and stroke we have optimum for top speed, acceleration, power or all?

Ok so this new EFR will spin the wheels all the way up to 125mph, What can be done about traction?

1: stickier tires
2: wider tires
3: Lower front tire pressure
4: stiff rear springs and struts
5: trans and engine mounts

anything else? RWD or AWD? j/k

 

If I were to pick up this turbo, I would be in the 93 octane group. Like I was asking before, what kind of power would you expect to see with basic mods (tune, intake, charge pipes and intercooler) on 93?

 

we also have the same bore and stroke as a 2jz-gte

 

I will get 93 octane numbers eventually. When I am done with all E85 testing, we will see what pump gas can do.

 

Are you gonna put the stock cam and head on? If i had extra time i would love to bring my car out to see what you guys could get out of it but i have too much going on. Maybe at the end of winter i'll have you guys do valve springs and cam. I'm running a pretty conservative tune right now so i know i have room for decent gains but i like it safe and reliable. Also would like a different intake maybe one of your SRI to fit on my setup.

 

in for 93 numbers / stock motor ?