ZZP Builds The Best LNF Mod Ever!
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True bolt up turbo, only thing needed is a BOV. Even with a BOV, I guarantee you its cheaper then the EFR is gonna be. I have $1500 in the Turbo, BOV and re-tune.
Thats with a brand spanking new Tial Q BOV.
The real question is what is the price of the EFR?
I'm not trying to make this into a whos turbo is better, EFR is a great turbo upgrade, just letting you guys know there is already a 350-400 whp bolt on option out there (with mustang dyno results).
Thats with a brand spanking new Tial Q BOV.
The real question is what is the price of the EFR?
I'm not trying to make this into a whos turbo is better, EFR is a great turbo upgrade, just letting you guys know there is already a 350-400 whp bolt on option out there (with mustang dyno results).
Anyway, it's all up in the air for me. Not sure if I'll hop on or stay off.
That makes absolutely no sense.
Not everyone wants to run their car at 10/10ths.
For the stock turbo to hit those numbers, it would be maxxed out. Meaning the turbo would be stressed and it would need quite a lot of boost. It would also create a lot hotter air charge. It would not make for a reliable combination.
The EFR turbo will make those numbers without a sweat, which less stress (virtually none) on the turbo and much less boost pressure. That also means less stress on the engine, because the air charge will be cooler and it won't see as much boost.
Remember, larger turbos can make more power with less boost because they flow more air more efficiently. That also means the powerband won't fall flat after 5300RPM. Yet the EFR spools the same thanks to ball bearings and a titanium compressor wheel.
There is absolutely no downside. Better turbo, more power, less stress on the engine given the same power level, same spool, better top end.
Not everyone wants to run their car at 10/10ths.
For the stock turbo to hit those numbers, it would be maxxed out. Meaning the turbo would be stressed and it would need quite a lot of boost. It would also create a lot hotter air charge. It would not make for a reliable combination.
The EFR turbo will make those numbers without a sweat, which less stress (virtually none) on the turbo and much less boost pressure. That also means less stress on the engine, because the air charge will be cooler and it won't see as much boost.
Remember, larger turbos can make more power with less boost because they flow more air more efficiently. That also means the powerband won't fall flat after 5300RPM. Yet the EFR spools the same thanks to ball bearings and a titanium compressor wheel.
There is absolutely no downside. Better turbo, more power, less stress on the engine given the same power level, same spool, better top end.
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True bolt up turbo, only thing needed is a BOV. Even with a BOV, I guarantee you its cheaper then the EFR is gonna be. I have $1500 in the Turbo, BOV and re-tune.
Thats with a brand spanking new Tial Q BOV.
The real question is what is the price of the EFR?
I'm not trying to make this into a whos turbo is better, EFR is a great turbo upgrade, just letting you guys know there is already a 350-400 whp bolt on option out there (with mustang dyno results).
Thats with a brand spanking new Tial Q BOV.
The real question is what is the price of the EFR?
I'm not trying to make this into a whos turbo is better, EFR is a great turbo upgrade, just letting you guys know there is already a 350-400 whp bolt on option out there (with mustang dyno results).
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True bolt up turbo, only thing needed is a BOV. Even with a BOV, I guarantee you its cheaper then the EFR is gonna be. I have $1500 in the Turbo, BOV and re-tune.
Thats with a brand spanking new Tial Q BOV.
The real question is what is the price of the EFR?
I'm not trying to make this into a whos turbo is better, EFR is a great turbo upgrade, just letting you guys know there is already a 350-400 whp bolt on option out there (with mustang dyno results).
Thats with a brand spanking new Tial Q BOV.
The real question is what is the price of the EFR?
I'm not trying to make this into a whos turbo is better, EFR is a great turbo upgrade, just letting you guys know there is already a 350-400 whp bolt on option out there (with mustang dyno results).
I'm not interested in a turbo up grade, but if I was...the ZZP unit is a much better alternative here...even for $500 or so more. You get a *from the ground up* new unit...inside and out. No comparision.
maybe some in car driving?
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That makes absolutely no sense.
Not everyone wants to run their car at 10/10ths.
For the stock turbo to hit those numbers, it would be maxxed out. Meaning the turbo would be stressed and it would need quite a lot of boost. It would also create a lot hotter air charge. It would not make for a reliable combination.
The EFR turbo will make those numbers without a sweat, which less stress (virtually none) on the turbo and much less boost pressure. That also means less stress on the engine, because the air charge will be cooler and it won't see as much boost.
Remember, larger turbos can make more power with less boost because they flow more air more efficiently. That also means the powerband won't fall flat after 5300RPM. Yet the EFR spools the same thanks to ball bearings and a titanium compressor wheel.
There is absolutely no downside. Better turbo, more power, less stress on the engine given the same power level, same spool, better top end.
Not everyone wants to run their car at 10/10ths.
For the stock turbo to hit those numbers, it would be maxxed out. Meaning the turbo would be stressed and it would need quite a lot of boost. It would also create a lot hotter air charge. It would not make for a reliable combination.
The EFR turbo will make those numbers without a sweat, which less stress (virtually none) on the turbo and much less boost pressure. That also means less stress on the engine, because the air charge will be cooler and it won't see as much boost.
Remember, larger turbos can make more power with less boost because they flow more air more efficiently. That also means the powerband won't fall flat after 5300RPM. Yet the EFR spools the same thanks to ball bearings and a titanium compressor wheel.
There is absolutely no downside. Better turbo, more power, less stress on the engine given the same power level, same spool, better top end.
if i can get the same power (380 whp) from the EFR turbo with less pounds of boost, that will work for me. im not looking for a tire smoking, dyno queen car. im going for a DD road monster type of car.
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From: 6000ft on a Mountain in Colorado!
exactly why im going this way. i know the stock k04 can make close to what im looking for when it comes to power, but i dont want to max out the turbo and have it go out on me.
if i can get the same power (380 whp) from the EFR turbo with less pounds of boost, that will work for me. im not looking for a tire smoking, dyno queen car. im going for a DD road monster type of car.
if i can get the same power (380 whp) from the EFR turbo with less pounds of boost, that will work for me. im not looking for a tire smoking, dyno queen car. im going for a DD road monster type of car.
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ok .. I've read alot of these posts and I sometimes feel like by reading there is a line of logic that gets disrupted by a blending of EFR and BNR turbo talk... so maybe you guys can help me out.. say I wanted to replace the Turbo with a direct bolt on... that requires no modification.. just plug and play...what do you guys think would happen if say the EFR was installed with the GMS1 currently being used... good? .. bad? ugly?? ..
ok .. I've read alot of these posts and I sometimes feel like by reading there is a line of logic that gets disrupted by a blending of EFR and BNR turbo talk... so maybe you guys can help me out.. say I wanted to replace the Turbo with a direct bolt on... that requires no modification.. just plug and play...what do you guys think would happen if say the EFR was installed with the GMS1 currently being used... good? .. bad? ugly?? ..
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That makes absolutely no sense.
Not everyone wants to run their car at 10/10ths.
For the stock turbo to hit those numbers, it would be maxxed out. Meaning the turbo would be stressed and it would need quite a lot of boost. It would also create a lot hotter air charge. It would not make for a reliable combination.
The EFR turbo will make those numbers without a sweat, which less stress (virtually none) on the turbo and much less boost pressure. That also means less stress on the engine, because the air charge will be cooler and it won't see as much boost.
Remember, larger turbos can make more power with less boost because they flow more air more efficiently. That also means the powerband won't fall flat after 5300RPM. Yet the EFR spools the same thanks to ball bearings and a titanium compressor wheel.
There is absolutely no downside. Better turbo, more power, less stress on the engine given the same power level, same spool, better top end.
Not everyone wants to run their car at 10/10ths.
For the stock turbo to hit those numbers, it would be maxxed out. Meaning the turbo would be stressed and it would need quite a lot of boost. It would also create a lot hotter air charge. It would not make for a reliable combination.
The EFR turbo will make those numbers without a sweat, which less stress (virtually none) on the turbo and much less boost pressure. That also means less stress on the engine, because the air charge will be cooler and it won't see as much boost.
Remember, larger turbos can make more power with less boost because they flow more air more efficiently. That also means the powerband won't fall flat after 5300RPM. Yet the EFR spools the same thanks to ball bearings and a titanium compressor wheel.
There is absolutely no downside. Better turbo, more power, less stress on the engine given the same power level, same spool, better top end.
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true that I guess... damn... well.. with all this stuff coming out now anyway, it will be nice to see what, if any, pit falls there might be once people have 5-10k on these turbo's.. I really would just want a mild upgrade to mine anyway... I think maybe 330-350 at the wheel with say 23-24lbs maybe? and call it done with a efficient and no issue running motor.. and no wild hares coming from the ECU...
and it seems this EFR could do that and keep the car running well for a very long time... I realize current tunes can do those numbers that I want now.. but then it seems like alot of folks are running on the ragged edge of their current stock turbo and the ECU's hair is on fire... or smoking... to anthropromorphize the internals of the car hahaha... I'd just rather walk around with an elephant under the trunk and not **** it off over say sticking a massive bee hive in there and slapping it around everyday... sooner or later, I'm gonna get stung...
and it seems this EFR could do that and keep the car running well for a very long time... I realize current tunes can do those numbers that I want now.. but then it seems like alot of folks are running on the ragged edge of their current stock turbo and the ECU's hair is on fire... or smoking... to anthropromorphize the internals of the car hahaha... I'd just rather walk around with an elephant under the trunk and not **** it off over say sticking a massive bee hive in there and slapping it around everyday... sooner or later, I'm gonna get stung...
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YouTube - EFR Turbo Series from BorgWarner Turbo Systems
I'm sure everyone understands turbos here soooooo just fast forward to 1:42 to see the development and features revolving around the EFR series. For those that just want to know more.
I'm sure everyone understands turbos here soooooo just fast forward to 1:42 to see the development and features revolving around the EFR series. For those that just want to know more.
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I like matts response not november thats kind of a time frame cant wait though very excited. Hey ive had big problem with piston rings on my lnf trifecta tuned at 24lbs so far 2 new blocks . To run this turbo can the stock internals hold up or would getting rods and pistons be best decision before efr upgrade. I know next mod for me is 3bar map sensors. Whats ur opinion? Oh and if anyone has the wiseco pistons please share how it makes car feel curious?
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i had to overexagerate haha id rather have had it plaed out like matt said, and earlier date, than oh **** its a later date and 50+ people say cbsso you are an ass gettin my hopes up haha trust me man i like that news as well i cant wait for this to come out either.
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