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Old May 4, 2011 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by unijabnx2000
why not get a dump truck/18 wheeler high pressure DI pump and some higher flowing DI injectors?



LOL why don't you make the Injectors for us ..

They don't exist, the current ones will flow more with more rail pressure ..

Someones working on a bored out LNF pump rebuild kit right now but the problem is with boring the strength of the bored out hole it will crack after getting hot ...

They worked around this by in a sense sleeving the new bore ad using a thicker case and using a Teflon type material ring around the new plunger to prevent friction.

Don't really have any more info for you right now.

The shop that is doing it has done similar applications and are just waiting on a few small pieces they think will make it even easier..
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Old May 4, 2011 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PrincessTurbo
LOL why don't you make the Injectors for us ..

They don't exist, the current ones will flow more with more rail pressure ..

Someones working on a bored out LNF pump rebuild kit right now but the problem is with boring the strength of the bored out hole it will crack after getting hot ...

They worked around this by in a sense sleeving the new bore ad using a thicker case and using a Teflon type material ring around the new plunger to prevent friction.

Don't really have any more info for you right now.

The shop that is doing it has done similar applications and are just waiting on a few small pieces they think will make it even easier..
Who is building them? Are they planning to mass produce them? I can dyno test one up to 600whp if they are interested.
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Old May 4, 2011 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
Who is building them? Are they planning to mass produce them? I can dyno test one up to 600whp if they are interested.
They have a shop thats won the Global Machinist Award for 6 straight consecutive years out of Denver who claims they have pumps for other application that have been reworked to do double the flow rate ..

10 KSI what ever that means should be the minimum to expect .. He said it's around 10000 PSI ..

Should be enough for what we are doing..

Unfortunately I don't think these rails can withstand that.
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Old May 4, 2011 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PrincessTurbo
They have a shop thats won the Global Machinist Award for 6 straight consecutive years out of Denver who claims they have pumps for other application that have been reworked to do double the flow rate ..

10 KSI what ever that means should be the minimum to expect .. He said it's around 10000 PSI ..

Should be enough for what we are doing..

Unfortunately I don't think these rails can withstand that.
We don't need pressure that high. We just need more volume. At 3000psi, we have enough injection window to support 600+ whp with a typical power band for that power level.
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Old May 4, 2011 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PrincessTurbo
They have a shop thats won the Global Machinist Award for 6 straight consecutive years out of Denver who claims they have pumps for other application that have been reworked to do double the flow rate ..

10 KSI what ever that means should be the minimum to expect .. He said it's around 10000 PSI ..

Should be enough for what we are doing..

Unfortunately I don't think these rails can withstand that.
Haven't people blown their rails at pressures achievable with the stock pump?
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Old May 4, 2011 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
We don't need pressure that high. We just need more volume. At 3000psi, we have enough injection window to support 600+ whp with a typical power band for that power level.
Pretty sure he said those number just out of the diameter of the current outlet ..

by increasing the "feed" tubes and adding a larger piston it should flow quit nicely.

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Haven't people blown their rails at pressures achievable with the stock pump?

Yes they have
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Old May 4, 2011 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PrincessTurbo
LOL why don't you make the Injectors for us ..

They don't exist, the current ones will flow more with more rail pressure ..

Someones working on a bored out LNF pump rebuild kit right now but the problem is with boring the strength of the bored out hole it will crack after getting hot ...

They worked around this by in a sense sleeving the new bore ad using a thicker case and using a Teflon type material ring around the new plunger to prevent friction.

Don't really have any more info for you right now.

The shop that is doing it has done similar applications and are just waiting on a few small pieces they think will make it even easier..
What about adapting another (higher flowing) cars/trucks injection pump to replace the stock one and feed it with an Aeromotive A1000 or Bosch 044?

or possibly a second stock injection pump feeding the rail (its a common rail system right?)

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Old May 4, 2011 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by unijabnx2000
What about adapting another (higher flowing) cars/trucks injection pump to replace the stock one and feed it with an Aeromotive A1000 or Bosch 044?


Well the way I see it we have one of 2 options.

Just run the ZZP rail..

Or rig the plungers in the stock and run larger lines
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Old May 4, 2011 | 09:21 PM
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holy **** it took me like 2 hours to read this whole damn thread, and for about the first 18 pages i was trying to figure out what EFR turbo its based on, till I guessed ( and noticed others) are saying it is based of the 6758...

is this correct?

Edit: lots of that reading time was wasted on the "I want" or "When is this coming out" - bout 50% of the thread hah.

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Old May 4, 2011 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by unijabnx2000
What about adapting another (higher flowing) cars/trucks injection pump to replace the stock one and feed it with an Aeromotive A1000 or Bosch 044?

or possibly a second stock injection pump feeding the rail (its a common rail system right?)
The A1000 pump, although originally marketed well, doesn't work well for any application. There are in-tank pumps that flow more, draw half the current, make about 1/4 the noise, last 5 times as long, and cost less at the same time.

Two pumps feeding the rail would solve the flow issue, but might be difficult to regulate. I'm sure it could be done, though.
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Old May 4, 2011 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Baron7700
holy **** it took me like 2 hours to read this whole damn thread, and for about the first 18 pages i was trying to figure out what EFR turbo its based on, till I guessed ( and noticed others) are saying it is based of the 6758...

is this correct?

Edit: lots of that reading time was wasted on the "I want" or "When is this coming out" - bout 50% of the thread hah.
Yes, it will be available as 6758, 6258, s252, s256, or s259.
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Old May 4, 2011 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
The A1000 pump, although originally marketed well, doesn't work well for any application. There are in-tank pumps that flow more, draw half the current, make about 1/4 the noise, last 5 times as long, and cost less at the same time.
Sounds like they got a great product then.
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Old May 4, 2011 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
Yes, it will be available as 6758, 6258, s252, s256, or s259.
oOoO, the 6258 makes sense? I would guess it would be 6758, and 7064. Im assuming the 7064 has a longer spool time that wouldnt make sense considering the power levels your reaching on the 6758?
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Old May 4, 2011 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Baron7700
oOoO, the 6258 makes sense? I would guess it would be 6758, and 7064. Im assuming the 7064 has a longer spool time that wouldnt make sense considering the power levels your reaching on the 6758?
Yes, I would recommend the 6258 for road course cars and the 6758 for street/strip.
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Old May 4, 2011 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
Yes, I would recommend the 6258 for road course cars and the 6758 for street/strip.
thats a tough decision, I await further updates, as well as your trans progress'
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Old May 5, 2011 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
Yes, I would recommend the 6258 for road course cars and the 6758 for street/strip.
Would your recommendation change for a Kappa with RWD? Curious why you suggest the smaller turbo for road courses.
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Old May 5, 2011 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by kennysabarese
Would your recommendation change for a Kappa with RWD? Curious why you suggest the smaller turbo for road courses.
Spools up faster? you don't want a very long spool time on a road course.
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Old May 5, 2011 | 10:51 AM
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why not the 7064? it would provide the hp that most people are looking for out of this while not completely maxing out the turbo.
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Old May 5, 2011 | 11:08 AM
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why not the 7064? it would provide the hp that most people are looking for out of this while not completely maxing out the turbo.
Probly because its a larger frame. Fitment would be different or clearances might be too tight using the stock mani
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Old May 5, 2011 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kennysabarese
Would your recommendation change for a Kappa with RWD? Curious why you suggest the smaller turbo for road courses.
The 6258 will still get you over 400whp and will be very smooth with no lag and it won't run out of steam on the top end. The 6758 doesn't have much lag its spooling good at 2500rpm but you still need to be at 3500 to 4000rpm to get it cranking good. I don't road course race but i think the 6758 would be too much turbo and would have to lower boost or be light on the throttle cause you will be smoking the **** out of the tires But your RWD so you would probably be ok with it just my opinion..
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Old May 5, 2011 | 05:17 PM
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The 6258 will still get you over 400whp and will be very smooth with no lag and it won't run out of steam on the top end. The 6758 doesn't have much lag its spooling good at 2500rpm but you still need to be at 3500 to 4000rpm to get it cranking good. I don't road course race but i think the 6758 would be too much turbo and would have to lower boost or be light on the throttle cause you will be smoking the **** out of the tires But your RWD so you would probably be ok with it just my opinion..

Guess we will find out BYT is starting my install in a few weeks with the 6758. Its gonna be interesting when its done for sure.
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Old May 5, 2011 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ULWiz Cobalt SS/SC
Guess we will find out BYT is starting my install in a few weeks with the 6758. Its gonna be interesting when its done for sure.
If you like the stock turbo feel, you can only like the 6758 even more. You won't notice much of a spool change if any, but it can support 150 more HP than the k04.
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Old May 5, 2011 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
If you like the stock turbo feel, you can only like the 6758 even more. You won't notice much of a spool change if any, but it can support 150 more HP than the k04.
Hes a LSJ, he got tired of whining
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Old May 5, 2011 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ULWiz Cobalt SS/SC
Guess we will find out BYT is starting my install in a few weeks with the 6758. Its gonna be interesting when its done for sure.
Been there done that
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the 1st post should be updated with the legitimate questions , so ppl dont have to shuffle with 1k of oogling and hating post. just sayin
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