The very first post of this thread shows a dyno gain of 30WHP from just cams with a stock turbo. Boost is quite limited on a stock tune and that's how it's so easy to gain 100HP on a car with stock tune, stock parts. Also keep in mind HP numbers on site are net, not WHP. So 100 HP will be ~85WHP, 50 HP will be ~42WHP

The package comes with upgraded valve springs.

 

Got my attention. Now for some LE5 cams!

 

are yall running the factory cam tables with these cams or have yall designed a table just for them?

 

Actually, the very first post shows the comparison of using gas versus E85 on the ZZP cams . And although the graph shows a peak of 360whp @ 28psi, Matt claims it was 362whp.

He goes on to say:

The math would actually show that the gain could be anywhere between 20whp and 24whp, not 30whp.
What if the stock cams put down 345whp? Then the gains would only be 15whp (half of the claim). This is why I keep asking for the correct graphs.

 

good reading!

 

We picked up more power with cam table adjustments on the zzp cams than we did adjusting the stock cams. I've made dozens of dyno pulls since the cam swaps. Graphs are not all posted by any means.

 

great stuff so what is the max HP TQ you guys have made on the stock turbo now? 360whp 420tq?

 

We don't officially release numbers on everything we do based on specific requirements to achieve these numbers being beyond what we recommend or suggest to our customers. However, since you asked a specific question- I can provide the answer. Uncorrected whp has surpassed 410whp. Torque has surpassed 500 ft lbs. Corrected numbers were 393/480.

 

On stock turbo?? Holy crap! So these new cams would be pretty bad a$$ with the BNR stage 2 turbo swap?

 

wow thats great! lol ppl once said 400tq qould never happen lol

keep up the great stuff I cant wait to find out what kind of 1/4 mile times you make on the stock turbo.

I think this summer I will need a new E-47 tune

 

lulztastic.. thats what it would be.. lol

think about it .. it can put down about 50 whp more then a stock turbo probably .. so probably like 430 whp and over 500 wtrq lol on like 4.7k in mods (2k for the head/ cam package, 1300 for the turbo, 1200 for fmic, dp, intake, cps and head gasket and studs ) id say thats pretty damn good

 

agreed good sir. good thing i already have the cp, dp, and intake! lol! might have to place a big order thru ZZP for their fmic, head/cam package, and a stronger clutch soon!

 

Cater to me? I wasn't even the first one to ask. There have been several others that have asked and are waiting. I thought you'd want to silence the doubters. That's the easiest way to make them go away. Just sayin...

For the record, posting numbers with graphs that don't support them doesn't help anyone. It just serves to cloud the issue further. If you make a claim of 362whp then post that graph not a different one. I would think that's just common sense.

 

^ does 2hp really mean that much to you scarab? if you don't like it don't buy them it's that simple.

 

Once we got a clutch in a car we surpassed 400 pretty easily but 500 is just sick! (talking wtq)

 

It's the same dyno pull. The peak HP on the graph is always lower due to the smoothing. The number displayed on the computer screen was 362. Either way, I'm not sure why it matters. Those are old posts. We've made more power than that.

 

The bottom line is that if you want to make claims of increased HP, back them up with the graphs that show the gain. Without the backup all you're making is a bunch of noise about a product that has not been verified.

As to the rest of you reading this back and forth, ask yourself this question....where are the gains being made? If you're setting up your vehicle for autox, do you think you'd want your powerband to be the same as someone that is drag racing? 100hp is great but does it help if it's at 7500rpm? What's the power under the curve?

For the tuners out there, do you want to know how to work with the product if you're installing it for one of your customers or do you want to have to rely on long distance advice from ZZP? Wouldn't it make more sense to understand the tuning changes in order to diagnose any issues you have?

I'm sorry but these are all legitimate questions and concerns and I'll continue to ask them. I could care less if the rest of you want to buy a product blindly or on hearsay. For all the big talk, nothing has been proven yet. Nothing.

 

except that you're acting like a tool

 

thats not true.. they have proven they can make more power on stock turbo.. then you did on a turbo swap

zzp has posted tons and tons of dyno sheets.. all over this site.. look harder

further more if you have an issue with them.. take it up in pms

 

What the hell does that have to do with anything I said other than continue to show that you love to nuthug them?

None that have the comparisons I asked for. I did look before I asked. If they existed don't you think some other smartass would have shown me by now just to shut me up?

 

In my case I would still like to see the independent dyno charts. Before investing in a $2K mod, I want to see what this has done for individuals that are not in close relationship and/or somewhat sponsored by ZZP (at least that is the impression that I am getting). Of course the dyno charts on the ZZP website are going to show power gains - they are advertising a product to make said power gains... I would also like to know what these power gains are doing to the stock internals. Perhaps I am confusing ZZP with another aftermarket vendor or other cobalt owner using ZZP; but didn't a car pushing high power using a ZZP setup bend their rods? Haven't several high power setups replaced their pistons? I would rather know this type of information in advance than learn via trial and error...

 

Now some le5 cams pleeez

 

I personally am very interested with both the cams and the zzp head. I contacted both Zoomer and Matt about this, and willing to put these on my car as long as they are parts that will definitely give whp improvements.

I also would like to see CURRENT dyno graphs to show the increased power offered by their cams and upgraded head.

Nakaiya21 is right, we need to find non-zzp related/owned/sponsored cars to have this head/cams dynoed and show the gains.


This will definitely eliminate any doubts and confusion of forum members who likes and dont like ZZP

 

Can the zzp valve springs be replaced for supertech dual valve springs in the head package

 

We're not allowed to ask questions like this....even though you have a valid point.

I like this the best though:
"If you’re car is not far from stock and you have a stock tune, this combo will net you approximately 100 horsepower. Much of this comes from the tune where we can increase turbo output.

-In a mildly mod’d LNF with an existing tune and factory turbo, expect to gain 40-50 HP."

So expect less of a performance upgrade the more money you've spent beforehand. and for those of you who haven't done anything to the motor or tune we'll sell you a $2000 infiniboost instead of getting it from Trifecta for $400. https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l...n-dyno-187933/