The big thing that concerns me here is upgrading the stock internals. Considering where I am at mod-wise I have a feeling that this upgrade would only get me 20-30 whp max (probably less?)... and that is actually ok (if it might actually be that low then simply advertise as such). You find (universal across all vehicle platforms) that once you do enough modifications you actually run into a wall (point at where you are actually dumping a ton of money and work into mods that give you very little gain). Usually the wall is either 1.) Stock internals can't take anymore, 2.) Stock gear box can't take anymore, 3.) Stock clutch can't take anymore. #1 and #2 isn't a problem if you are warned in advance and can plan accordingly (i.e. upgrade stock internals before upgrade recommended by vendor) and #3 is bound to happen eventually anyways...

I would love for this mod to be the end all be all for everyone out there - and perhaps it may be that it is... I am waiting to see if that is the case...

PS. I am not trying to bash or discredit ZZP - on the contrary I think they provide some of the best support out there for our platform. I just want to make sure I am well informed prior to committing...

 

I'm sure SMG provided you with a dyno chart before you paid them to port your head. But at least you can say that you learned from your mistake.

I don't know why you keep talking about Infiniboost. Do you think Infiniboost nets you 100hp on it's own? That would be pretty amazing.

Yes, if you are already have an aftermarket tune, don't expect to gain as much from our tune as you would coming from a stock tune. What could possibly be funny about that? When we sell a turbo upgrade, should we tell people to expect to only gain up to 50hp because they might have already had a turbo upgrade from somewhere else? Or should we just talk about the potential to gain 100+ hp over stock just like any other company does? You really stretch to come up with criticism out of nothing. It's sort of amusing. I will say this, however- The more you talk about ZZP, the more parts we will sell, regardless of how you attempt to portray us. So go ahead and hate on...

 

Yes, you are correct that the more(successful) mods you already have, the more difficult it is to make the same gains with a new mod. It's like that with everything. I remember adding up all of Hahn's HP gain claims for a full bolt-on LNF and coming up close to 400whp. Yet everyone that had all of their mods was in the 300-310 area. Of course you don't see Scarab raising a stink about that because Hahn didn't call him out on his numbers. In other words, don't pay any attention to his claims of "educating the community." That's not why he's in here.

FWIW, you won't bend your rods with the stock turbo unless you had severe detonation on a regular basis.(which would destroy the pistons first) We pushed the stock rods past 500whp and 8000 RPMs.

 

dude....just go away.
take your **** to PMs if you're really just trying to get information... half your posts thus far are just retarded, and the other half are asking questions (or trying to raise doubts) to which anyone who even remotely knows the LNF platform can answer.

Keep up the good work ZZP

 

^^^Interesting... That is good information.

Btw, I just sent an PM to Zoomer regarding my mods and some questions... I will send it to you as well for some feedback (I appreciate the advice)....

Another question I just thought of is tuning....What about tuning on top of Vince's tune? Right now I am using a tune that Vince wrote to take into account all of my mods and the meth - I certainly would not want to lose any of that. It also runs through the cruise control. I know that you state that you can tune in addition to a current tune, but I thought Vince's tunes were proprietary... so how does that work? Do I end up overwriting Vince's tune with your tune? Do I have to buy Vince's special HP Tuners expansion? How can you see what Vince has already done? Do you work with Vince? Do I lose my cruise control feature in exchange for traction control feature ()? Does this tune work in conjunction (so now I have a bunch of buttons to press)?

 

Yes, we work with Vince on a regular basis. We could put something custom together for you.

 

I don't see how asking for the dyno graphs is hating. The longer you wait the more pages of nonsense will start to build and then, poof, the mods will delete the thread again. Oh wait.....maybe that's what's really going on here. Perhaps if you drag this out long enough you'll never have to prove that your product actually works. Genius!

 

That's correct. I can lead a horse to water but I can't make him drink. I'm here to hold you accountable for the claims you're making. That's all. Even if nothing had happened last week I would still be here saying the same things btw.

The easiest thing to do to make me go away is to just post them. At least that way I can make an informed decision. It's the only thing I've been asking for.

 

And I should be listening to you? Holy **** I think I just pissed myself. OK hunterkiller...

I just got a cramp in my side. Hold on...........................nope

 

...im not seeing any connection between my credibility and a 4 year old myspace picture my GF took. Going for personal attacks? Cause i could really care less, ive posted plenty of pictures of me on these boards.

I think 95% of members who know of me here will value my opinions, whether or not they agree with them, and these same 95% will find your posts equally childish and without merit.
Glad you had something important to contribute or rebut with. Now, like i said, either grow up, contribute something useful, or just take it to PMs, because no one wants to see your attempts to discredit progress on this platform.

 

No, you wouldn't. There are dozens of other companies offering parts for this platform. They all claim power gains. You don't "hold them accountable." If you did, you would not have purchased your ported head from SMG. Nice try, though.

The bottom line with ZZP is that we always back up our parts. We have a history of proving ourselves. For example, who do you think owned the worlds quickest FWD Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, and Impala? That would be me, myself, and I, and every one of them ran/runs ZZP parts exclusively. We have continued this trend by building the quickest LNF Cobalt, and possibly the quickest 5 speed LSJ Cobalt. (We don't try to compete with 1800 lb tube chassis/carbon fiber body cars running on alcohol. Our customers are not interested in building cars like that.) For that reason(and many, many more), people who know ZZP know that we don't mess around when it comes to performance. We don't sell parts that don't perform, period. You can talk all you want. It will keep this thread at the top, and more people will continue to check out ZZP as a result. Thanks for that.

 

Well said Matt,


Now Scarab, why not leave that thread, your just making a clown of yourself.

 

You're giving me way too much credit. I haven't seen anything else of interest on this site that would work for a Solstice actually. Most of the parts are for a Cobalt. Regardless, I've already upgraded every other component that I possibly could. Cams are the only thing left at this point. All I'm asking for is the dyno graphs to show the gains that can be found there. That's all it would take to silence me yet you continue to argue instead. Why are you so scared to do that? Are we all going to see something that doesn't add up?

 

Do you think I'm at the shop? It's Sunday evening! Superbowl Sunday at that! Like it matters, though. You won't be silenced no matter what proof is put in front of you.

 

Seriously? who is this guy? hes a frekin retard if ive ever saw one. gtf out of here. ur dumb ass posts are getting real old.

 

C'mon man... I'll say it once again. I don't want to see this thread locked too, due to you.

This stuff isn't getting us anywhere. You're not some Crusader for The People. If ZZP and their products aren't a fit for you, then move on. They've got the right to refuse service to anybody, and they don't have to show you squat if they don't want to. If that's not good enough, then you're still free to do business elsewhere. Nobody is making you stick around, so it gets to a point where either it needs to be good enough or you need to leave. You're not even a customer of theirs, so I see no reason they should have to bend over backwards for you either.

They've invested a lot of time and money into the R&D of their products, and have their Intellectual Property tied to them. It's perfectly natural for a company making new things for a platform/product to be somewhat guarded with the details given out.

 

Enough people around here have run zzp and loved them. Ive done a bit of business with zzp and been very happy with how ive been treated. Fact of the matter is they did show some proof. it just wasnt good enough for you. But it was proof none the less. All your currently doing is making yourself look like a jackass.

If you dont like these cams then dont buy them or go them from someone else! Oh wait...

Seriously man give up.



Now back ontopic

Matt any word on the LE5 cams?

 

No details were given out other than what they claim it will make. There are no before and after dyno graphs posted. So get off your high horse.

Same as above.

I'm asking that ZZP stick to the same standards they hold everyone else to. I really don't care if you like it.

 

A few points Scab:
1. We don't care what dyno charts you want. We really don't. We are not going to take the time to cater to any of your requests because you are not a customer. You are an E-hater just posting crap.

2. You've claimed we haven't posted any dyno charts, yet we've posted more dyno charts on this form than anyone. ZZP opperates on full disclosure. We post about mods, our failures, and it can get complicated. Sometimes you have to trust us because we can never explain exactly why and how on every last detail to every customer. You're paying us because we're the experts. Some customers are more technical than others and we can go over details with them personally. To others, such as yourself, the extra info can be confusing. You already see the confusion in this thread with the different HP numbers posted on the site for the package. Many customers are just used to seeing one number and believe that it will add that much HP on any car no matter what. It's hard to be innovators fighting the perceived standards of HP reporting.

3. ZZP dyno's so many parts and customer's cars are so different than we cannot possibly provide every before/after. Do we do it on gas? E85? from a stock tune or mildly mod'd? Should the car have exhaust, be configured how most people mod? should we dyno on a stock turbo or upgraded? stock IC or upgraded? 93 octane or 91? There are too many variables to dyno them all. Once you have a winner product and you understand it, you can combined with other items and mod. This is the proper way to do it. The wrong way to do it is to put an untested head, untested meth kit and untested tune on your car and guess as to what is doing what. That's why we tested our cams separately, our turbo kit separately, our ported head, etc. Then we see how they affect octane requirement, tuning, etc. Once we perfected each of them, we combined them for a package. Don't like it? don't buy it, be happy with 369hp. When you get tired of that, come see the platform professionals and we'll make your car perform how it should.

4. in our combo you are buying 3 parts. A ported head, our tuning, and our S1 cams. All have been dyno proven, driven and tested. Some for nearly 2 years before release. 2 years! how does this compare with the testing other companies have done on thier cams or ported heads or tunes? Where are their dyno charts for those mods?

 

Zoomer and Matt,

Im really looking for cams. And of course, a good ported head.

I know that you already mentioned that stage 2 cams are far from being released.

For people who has a bigger turbo, should we just wait for the stage 2 cams?

Will that stage 2 cams, also be compatible with your ported head?


thanks!

 

There is absolutely no reason to doubt what ZZP is claiming. As Zoom said it's difficult to put up a dyno that can reasonably set expectations for most of their customers. It's amazing how many people think they can throw some parts on and magically make 500hp because they saw a dyno sheet of it on the internet. For you to act like they are purposely withholding information or trying to dupe customers into buying something that isn't going to do what a customer expects is in poor taste. No one else comes close to providing the information that these guys do, and as long as they continue to do so I and many others will keep buying their parts. I don't buy stuff from just anyone, many years ago I was burned and I am very skeptical of anyone getting my very hard earned money.

I have their parts but am in no way sponsored by them. I've paid full price for every single part that I've gotten from them. Clutch, S252 Turbo kit, cat-back, valve springs.

My last dyno hit my goal of 430hp on the stock bottom end. No meth, no race fuel, just 93 and a bit of tuning. Once the bottom end is built there is still quite a bit more power to be made.

ZZP is doing great things for this platform. I have nothing but great things to say about their parts and service. Matt and Ryan are both awesome guys that love to race and try to help people make good decisions on parts for this car.

If you are serious about buying the cams, give them a call. There really is no reason to be posting things like you are in a public forum. If you have a problem with them or what they post why not take it to PM's?

 

<clapping> Bravo Zoomer. You've once again succeeded in saying nothing of any importance when it comes to answering the question. Instead you prefer to cloud the issue with inane ramblings of past performance and past accomplishments when it has nothing to do with the question at hand. Why would I care to see all the dyno graphs of a million other combos? None of them would answer the claims you've made for performance gains on the ported head and S1 cams. NONE OF THEM. You and I both know this. What does an E85 versus Gas graph on the first page of this post PROVE about the performance of the new cams on a stock motor versus stock cams on a stock motor? NOTHING! Yet you would get on this thread and tell someone that it does. All that is shown on post #1 is Matt's CLAIMS of gains made. The numbers given aren't even shown in the graphs posted below. Now if you had posted a graph of a before and after scenario of the cams we wouldn't still be talking here.

As I've said before, if you have graphs posted on CSS.net that show any of the things I've asked for I would apologize but 13 pages into this useless thread you haven't. No links. No graphs. All I was asking for was 3 simple graphs:

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/5541339-post8.html

Instead, continue to blow this all out of proportion.

 

I never said they were purposefuly withholding. Funny how it comes across that way when a vendor can't respond to a simple request though.

So where is the information I overlooked then? I would agree with you if it was there.

You're right. This IS a public forum. This IS a thread titled "ZZP LNF Cam Testing". I AM asking questions about these cams. What's the point of PRIVATE MESSAGE questions when a PUBLIC thread has been started. Last time I checked, that's the purpose of starting a thread. To engage people and get their feedback. I'm doing nothing wrong by asking.

 

Asking questions is bashing now? It keeps getting better.

 

I would consider about half your post accual questions..and the rest just nonsense crap