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Old 12-16-2010, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cmiller8006
Yea I want them to. But I want a viable trans first lol. Its already going to go boom with what I have going on for next year.
Brace the case!!!!!!! The reason for 90% of all LSJ/LNF trans failures is the case twisting under heavy torque loads even with rotated mounts. When the case twists gear failure is inevitable because the gears come out of alignment.
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I see Matt is running higher boost then before. is this because of the cams? I know Matt has a build bottom end but would the rest of use with the stock block b eable to run boost safely at thos levels? if not I would like to know what kind of power that thing makes at 24psi

also Bad Ass keep up the good work
Bottom end is completely stock. The only mods on the motor itself are cams and valvesprings. On e85, and with a good IC, it would be tough to hurt the motor on the stock turbo.
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Originally Posted by Terminator2
Brace the case!!!!!!! The reason for 90% of all LSJ/LNF trans failures is the case twisting under heavy torque loads even with rotated mounts. When the case twists gear failure is inevitable because the gears come out of alignment.
One of our entrepreneurial vendors (zzp) should design a bolt up brace for this issue =)
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Originally Posted by Gunney_07
One of our entrepreneurial vendors (zzp) should design a bolt up brace for this issue =)
Tig welder and some pieces of good aluminum alloy will work well. (not sure which grade is best for this application) Need to triangulate the case to make it stronger.
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Originally Posted by Terminator2
Tig welder and some pieces of good aluminum alloy will work well. (not sure which grade is best for this application) Need to triangulate the case to make it stronger.
True i can do it at home, but it's nice when someone else does it and test it out on their own cars to See if it's properly set up.
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
are those zzp stage 2s? Cause those sound really lumpy and zzp said that you could barely notice the stage 2s.
Yes they are the stage 2s, it's really not so bad it is a bit lumpy yes but my car's idle quality is almost perfect really. I'm also not tuned for these things so that may have something to do with it. I'll make another (better) video, check rlf later on today.
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Originally Posted by Terminator2
Tig welder and some pieces of good aluminum alloy will work well. (not sure which grade is best for this application) Need to triangulate the case to make it stronger.
I wouldn't know where to start with that. I have asked before and nobody ever gave pics or difinitive answers.
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Originally Posted by cmiller8006
I wouldn't know where to start with that. I have asked before and nobody ever gave pics or difinitive answers.
I wish I was good with photoshop or paint. Anyone have a pic of the F-35 trans?
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Originally Posted by hawlyns711
Yes they are the stage 2s, it's really not so bad it is a bit lumpy yes but my car's idle quality is almost perfect really. I'm also not tuned for these things so that may have something to do with it. I'll make another (better) video, check rlf later on today.
I'll take your word for it then. Any thoughts on how they are performing? Powerband?

What turbo are you using?
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Originally Posted by Terminator2
I wish I was good with photoshop or paint. Anyone have a pic of the F-35 trans?
Best I can do bud.

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Originally Posted by ralliartist
I'll take your word for it then. Any thoughts on how they are performing? Powerband?

What turbo are you using?
as far as I can tell good, I checked my plugs and was a bit lean so I haven't really seen the entire power band yet, but from what I can tell they pick up real good around 2500rpm to who know what rpm. also, no turbo m62 lsj (I know wrong thread, same cams)

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LOL, the cams aren't even the same. Turbo cams are different than Blower cams. OF COURSE blower cams are going to have a lumpy idle. Even stage 2s will. It's the design.
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
LOL, the cams aren't even the same. Turbo cams are different than Blower cams. OF COURSE blower cams are going to have a lumpy idle. Even stage 2s will. It's the design.
mine aren't the blower cams, they're stage 2 like I said. blower grind is different like you said, so is turbo (turbo different usually because of less lift on exhaust side for increased velocity). the S2 design was a wider LSA than stock which should actually increase idle quality... (source Technical Specs & Information)
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last pic is almost what I need to see. I need a shot of the entire underside and topside of the F-35 out of someones car.
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last pic is almost what I need to see. I need a shot of the entire underside and topside of the F-35 out of someones car.
Those are pics of when I was looking at the possibility of swapping in an L200 trans. So that's all I got for now. I'm in Germany, the cobalt is in a storage building in Nebraska. Wish I would have taken more pics now.
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Originally Posted by hawlyns711
mine aren't the blower cams, they're stage 2 like I said. blower grind is different like you said, so is turbo (turbo different usually because of less lift on exhaust side for increased velocity). the S2 design was a wider LSA than stock which should actually increase idle quality... (source Technical Specs & Information)
You aren't making any sense now.

There are 3 different stages of ZZP LSJ blower cams. And there are 3 different stages of ZZP LSJ Turbo cams.

This thread is primarily about LNF cam testing. And they haven't quite dabbled in the LE5 yet.

So what exactly do you have?
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Originally Posted by Matt M
Bottom end is completely stock. The only mods on the motor itself are cams and valvesprings. On e85, and with a good IC, it would be tough to hurt the motor on the stock turbo.
I see I thought you guys ran a 24psi tune did u bump it up because of the cams or the E85?
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dunno it doesn't say on their site they even sell "blower" cams so I don't know why you brought that up? it does mention a supercharger in the description, but it's discrepant. on their site, the stage 2 description says nothing about superchargers, but I get your point. also, on comp cams website they say "COMP Cams® ECOTEC camshafts are available in five different configurations (3 street & strip, 1 blower, 1 turbo grind" now I'm not sure if zzp reground these but I'm betting not... so which ones do I have?
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
You aren't making any sense now.

There are 3 different stages of ZZP LSJ blower cams. And there are 3 different stages of ZZP LSJ Turbo cams.

This thread is primarily about LNF cam testing. And they haven't quite dabbled in the LE5 yet.

So what exactly do you have?
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^lmao

Originally Posted by hawlyns711
dunno it doesn't say on their site they even sell "blower" cams so I don't know why you brought that up? it does mention a supercharger in the description, but it's discrepant. on their site, the stage 2 description says nothing about superchargers, but I get your point. also, on comp cams website they say "COMP Cams® ECOTEC camshafts are available in five different configurations (3 street & strip, 1 blower, 1 turbo grind" now I'm not sure if zzp reground these but I'm betting not... so which ones do I have?
your best bet is to get with ZZP and give them the part number that you purchased and they can tell you what you got.

Hell, if they gave you any kind of documents, info, paper that came in the box with those cams, it may tell you the specs. Post up the specs if you have them and I'll tell you exactly what you got. I know what all the specs are on their cams.

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Remember, we have over 120 degrees of lobe separation at idle. There isn't going to be any noticeable lope at idle with these cams.
any chance your going to devolop cams with lope for us big turbo guys looking to make power to over 8k rpm eventually.
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Has this been tested on a ported head? I'd take my head off to port it and port match the mani to it as well if that earned me a set of cams
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Originally Posted by beast10007
I see I thought you guys ran a 24psi tune did u bump it up because of the cams or the E85?
I bumped it up because I wanted to hit 400.
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Originally Posted by hawlyns711
dunno it doesn't say on their site they even sell "blower" cams so I don't know why you brought that up? it does mention a supercharger in the description, but it's discrepant. on their site, the stage 2 description says nothing about superchargers, but I get your point. also, on comp cams website they say "COMP Cams® ECOTEC camshafts are available in five different configurations (3 street & strip, 1 blower, 1 turbo grind" now I'm not sure if zzp reground these but I'm betting not... so which ones do I have?
If you purchased stage 2 (not stage 2 turbo) then you have supercharger cams.
We custom spec our Cams from Comp.


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