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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 11:46 PM
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Awesome! I obviously havent rodded on my car too too hard yet because I'm on a conservative tune to get me by till Taylor tunes me and I gotta go get meth but all that talk of certain people saying you lose a ton of torque with the S2 cams is totally wrong. I'm very happy how well the car pulls down low. And I haven't even wound my car out to where they really shine yet
GLAD you are happy. read a couple of dyno sheets m62 to 1320 harrop stock cams and then 1320 stock to z2 cams. If you can read the sheets you will understand.
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based on what I am seeing with ZZP stage 2 cans, if you did not put in an entirely new front timing set with gears guides bolts and oilers that set up wont last long. And I am not sure how long it will last anyway.

You get nothing for nothing and if you want to rev., you are going to have to pay. Enjoy!
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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 11:48 PM
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PS might want to consider an ATI dampener
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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 11:48 PM
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No need to get cranky John. My timing set is all new.

PS way ahead of you
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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 11:52 PM
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the cams are not what kills the timing components
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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 11:55 PM
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Its the Revs kills the chain. The cams need revs. But an ATI dampener sure does help. lol. Mr B those bolts you sent me are they speshul? I am looking at this mess of a broken bolt and plotting the next step. I didnt do the install on this one and it is possible the tech overtorqued it, but I would hope not.
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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 11:56 PM
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It's not like I'm going to be driving the car around at 8k all the time. The only real times I'm going to need or want to are at the track or dyno.
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Old Jun 18, 2013 | 03:05 AM
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<--still wouldnt mind the headache of adjustable cam gears...just saying
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Old Jun 18, 2013 | 09:10 AM
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Its the Revs kills the chain. The cams need revs. But an ATI dampener sure does help. lol. Mr B those bolts you sent me are they speshul? I am looking at this mess of a broken bolt and plotting the next step. I didnt do the install on this one and it is possible the tech overtorqued it, but I would hope not.
they are arp chrome moly bolts they should torque in at 11ftlbs with a drop of red Loctite


as for the chain I don't think is so much the rpm look at how things survive on stock springs you get the occasional broken bolt but not much else and they go for 100k but the broken bolts come from over torqued/a little substandard fasteners
now when you add springs it makes it a lot harder to rotate the cams which puts more stress on all of the timing components and the fasteners need to deal with more stress
now you add cams in to play and that makes it even harder to rotate the cams due to increased lift and you add the ability to spin it higher and your going to start have even more fastener failures so what is the logical thing to do put better fasteners in place
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Old Jun 18, 2013 | 11:58 AM
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they are arp chrome moly bolts they should torque in at 11ftlbs with a drop of red Loctite


as for the chain I don't think is so much the rpm look at how things survive on stock springs you get the occasional broken bolt but not much else and they go for 100k but the broken bolts come from over torqued/a little substandard fasteners
now when you add springs it makes it a lot harder to rotate the cams which puts more stress on all of the timing components and the fasteners need to deal with more stress
now you add cams in to play and that makes it even harder to rotate the cams due to increased lift and you add the ability to spin it higher and your going to start have even more fastener failures so what is the logical thing to do put better fasteners in place
^^^exactly/ now I gotta buy some more of these trick fasteners. pm or email me gotta go back to work lol thanks
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 07:13 AM
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I hope i won't have a problem with 94lb springs and some monster cams. Otherwise ill be taking extream measures to make sure it dosnt happen. Just dont want to go that far. To have a high tensile chain made and blabla bla. But 10,000 rpm is my goal
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbelvedere
they are arp chrome moly bolts they should torque in at 11ftlbs with a drop of red Loctite


as for the chain I don't think is so much the rpm look at how things survive on stock springs you get the occasional broken bolt but not much else and they go for 100k but the broken bolts come from over torqued/a little substandard fasteners
now when you add springs it makes it a lot harder to rotate the cams which puts more stress on all of the timing components and the fasteners need to deal with more stress
now you add cams in to play and that makes it even harder to rotate the cams due to increased lift and you add the ability to spin it higher and your going to start have even more fastener failures so what is the logical thing to do put better fasteners in place
This info right here makes me kinda glad I went with the 75# supertechs vs. a heavier spring.

I just wish you guys had these fancy bolts ready when I had my front cover off timing my motor

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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 08:34 AM
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This info right here makes me kinda glad I went with the 75# supertechs vs. a heavier spring.

I just wish you guys had these fancy bolts ready when I had my front cover off timing my motor
its the one in the head that mainly breaks but it still is not hard to pull the cover
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Staged07SS
This info right here makes me kinda glad I went with the 75# supertechs vs. a heavier spring.

I just wish you guys had these fancy bolts ready when I had my front cover off timing my motor
Ditto. 2 days after the motor went in my car, bam super bolts unveiled haha.
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 09:15 AM
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its the one in the head that mainly breaks but it still is not hard to pull the cover
Unless u have a ATI on the car. U told me its a bitch while in the car.
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbelvedere
its the one in the head that mainly breaks but it still is not hard to pull the cover
Oh I know man.... Just would have been nice when I had her apart

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Ditto. 2 days after the motor went in my car, bam super bolts unveiled haha.
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 10:01 AM
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Tjolly, I remember in the build book there being something about bullet aluminum guides... Where you would get them I have no clue.
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 10:25 AM
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the billet guides were a custom piece and only needed when above x power level don't worry mcclure we wont need them
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Tjolley
Unless u have a ATI on the car. U told me its a bitch while in the car.
it is a bitch unless you do the b mod to it
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 11:35 AM
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Tjolly, I remember in the build book there being something about bullet aluminum guides... Where you would get them I have no clue.
In the works. Lol
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 12:02 PM
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Well Im only revving to 7500. Think my fuel system will keep up? (80's and rsfs) on E85?
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Well Im only revving to 7500. Think my fuel system will keep up? (80's and rsfs) on E85?
depends on what pulley
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 07:22 PM
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 07:55 PM
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Where can i get a set of these magical super bolts? I'll be doing the stage 2 cam route soon and am replacing my whole timing set.
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Old Jun 19, 2013 | 11:35 PM
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 01:47 PM
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I gotta get me some of the better bolts, this is what I ran into when redoing my timing chain

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